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Old October 28th, 2014 Oct 28, 2014 3:16:07 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Discharge RED on black tee

Hello screen printers. Ive been doing alot of discharge lately love the stuff. However RED on black tees has been a total mix off to get it right every time. Im using ryonet pigments, with discharge base. Ive heard of people adding a little discharge white base to there mix? My problem is ive been using PMS 032, but i can never seem to get a good red. Pretty much the same results on all black shirts from AA, Next Level, Gildans, Alternative Apparel. Every other PMS is spot on. Ive tried a 5% boost when mixing with not much luck, The only way i can get a good red, is discharge base with waterbased Red on top. But i hate having to do that. Any body want to share there secret formula for red. Weather its mixing tips, or a different PMS with better red results. Just looking to get some what consistant reds from here on out.


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Old October 29th, 2014 Oct 29, 2014 7:44:23 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

Come on i know someone out there has the info im looking for. Red discharge on black shirts, Whats your secret cocktail.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

OK people like pictures, here is a shot of this morning discharge red. PMS 1795 5% Boost,

WARM RED 12.93
RUBINE RED 1.84
MIXING BLACK .22


5% activator, 5g
Discharge Clear Base 85.00

Also tried this

Discharge Clear Base 63.75
Discharge White Base 22.86

Same results, Tried on a variety of black shirts, Gildan Next Level, Hanes. All similar. Im looking for that nice popping red. This has got to be the hardest Discharge color to get right, every other color ive ever mixed pops with great results.


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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

I had great result with sericol texcharge. I have not use the matsui system for discharge.

http://www.sericol.com/techsupport/d...xcharge_TC.pdf
Starting Point
1795 C
TC-046 64.73
TC-154 35.27
Texcharge Activator TC747 6% (maximum by weight)

I am switching to non fformaldehyde system (customers request) it is less powerfull.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

CCI Fox Red, straight out the bucket, its the same pigs you are using, ryonet just relabels cci product.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

I use the same system you do (R20) and I do 90% base, 10% pigment every single time and get good results. If you go to my website (elusiveprint.com) and look at the photo of the shirt with the red "SD", that's PMS 185. That was printed using the 90/10 formula.

I use 5% activator on every PMS color unless it is abwhite pigment heavy color. In that case I use 4% activator because anything higher and the ink gets milky.

Hope that helps!
 
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I use the same system you do (R20) and I do 90% base, 10% pigment every single time and get good results. If you go to my website (elusiveprint.com) and look at the photo of the shirt with the red "SD", that's PMS 185. That was printed using the 90/10 formula.

I use 5% activator on every PMS color unless it is abwhite pigment heavy color. In that case I use 4% activator because anything higher and the ink gets milky.

Hope that helps!
Awesome info I'll try that out next time how does that red look after a few washes?
 
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Awesome info I'll try that out next time how does that red look after a few washes?
It looks great. The trick to keeping the colors vibrant is the cure time. I have an infared conveyor that has a dwell time of 60 seconds on the slowest speed. If I run something with bright colors through only once, they fade when washed. If I run them back through again for a total of 120 seconds, they stay vibrant wash after wash.

I'll be looking to upgrade my dryer soon so I can get a full 120 seconds on one pass through as I do mostly discharge prints.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

The problem is not in the cocktail. Not all base discharge works equally. And not all pigments works well on discharge.

The Matsui's clear discharge is rubbish for use with pigments, for example.
And there are pigments specially created for use with discharge base.

I use Eurotext base discharge TEX-RG CONC with appropriate pigments for best results, even after washing.

They have no US distributor...
I do not know the products you say. Sorry I can not help more.
Anyway, the commitment of a reference PMS with discharge is a crazy job.

Tomorrow I will be able upload photos of what I speak.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

I see they were at ISS long beach, so there may have US distributor.

I tried years ago their plastisol, but really didn't liked it.

How good is Eurotext discharge ink ? is it formaldehyde free ?
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

Eurotext US distributor? Maybe, I don' know...

I don't use his plastisol, I don't like plastisol directly. The only advantage over the water-based inks is the productivity.

This base discharge appropriate for pigments is not formaldehyde free. They have a discharge with low formaldehyde content, TEX-RG CONC ECO, but I doubt that work as well as the other. If you find a discharge low in formaldehyde, and that works really well, please let me know. All ink manufacturers are working on this, but everything I've tried does not work.

The TEX-RG CONC 5 works really well with the appropriate pigment.

This is an example after washing of the difference to use an appropriate or inappropriate pigment in discharge, and a chart of the strength of the pigments they works. Best for discharge are rated five.
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The difference is stunning.

So if I understand the only difference between both print is pigment % in the base ?


All non eco disharge is not allowed in my shop, for safety reason for my guys + customer request.
I use to work with sericol ZFS activator, and for sure the eco one I tested are not so strong ans sometimes disappointed.

There is 2 systems I have to try : virus and excalibur both Low-formaldehyde.

I
 
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The difference is not % pigment in base. It is the type of pigment in the base. But it is not only the pigment, the base should work fine.

I use little pigmented discharge. Only per customer's requirement and the best for this propose I've tried is Eurotext. I usually use Matsui white base discharge and color above. The base less smelly that I found, but the formaldehyde is not in base, is in the agent discharge.

Try Virus and tell me about his formaldehyde-free and activator-free discharge, please. If it really works well no sense to have one with formaldehyde... I ordered a sample. We are in contact.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

The virus discharge pot life is 6 months, ok the color with not be as strong as the first day, but if it is good, this is better the 6 hours pot life we are used to.
 
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Default Re: Discharge RED on black tee

Yeah, I know, six months is a great advantage for this type ink.

Then you've test zero discharge ink Virus? It really works well?

I ordered samples, It will arrive this week. I say you results!
 






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