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Old October 18th, 2009 Oct 18, 2009 11:21:06 AM -   #16 (permalink)
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Going back a bit to the OP, is putting someones face on a t shirt actually copyright? I know there was a load of talk around US election time as tons of people were doing Obama tees etc.
Is putting an image of someone on a t shirt actually copyright? As not every photo of a celebrity would be someones actual property, it might have been once, but once they sell it to the papers and the papers plaster it all over the internet, then anyone can use it, or not?
Copyright doesn't cease just because it's in the paper.
Every photo belongs to someone, they may not take action though.
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Old October 18th, 2009 Oct 18, 2009 11:24:00 AM -   #17 (permalink)
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Incidentally, Andy Warhol got sued for reproducing photos of famous people in oils. Not by the people but by the photographers whose work he stole.
p.s. Andy Warhol can't sue because he's dead.
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Old October 18th, 2009 Oct 18, 2009 2:18:25 PM -   #18 (permalink)
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Incidentally, Andy Warhol got sued for reproducing photos of famous people in oils. Not by the people but by the photographers whose work he stole.
p.s. Andy Warhol can't sue because he's dead.
No but his estate can
 
 
Old October 18th, 2009 Oct 18, 2009 2:32:59 PM -   #19 (permalink)
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No but his estate can
Now that would be an interesting case.

Warhol's estate trying to protect work, much of which itself was a breach of other peoples copyright.

The only reason people don't bother chasing copyright, is that if the court didn't find in their favour and such a thing can fail on a myriad of obscure technicalities, the copyright holder could be seriously out of pocket with legal fees. By the same token if a case is conclusively proved, the one breaching the copyright can be the one paying out legal costs.
 
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Now that would be an interesting case.

Warhol's estate trying to protect work, much of which itself was a breach of other peoples copyright.

The only reason people don't bother chasing copyright, is that if the court didn't find in their favour and such a thing can fail on a myriad of obscure technicalities, the copyright holder could be seriously out of pocket with legal fees. By the same token if a case is conclusively proved, the one breaching the copyright can be the one paying out legal costs.
Yeah, in many cases the line between copyright infringement and not is very thin. We generally will take products off the site if we get contact from people who believe we have, but there is the odd case (such as the creators of the inbetweeners believing they own the word "Clunge") that we will fight if need be
 
Old October 19th, 2009 Oct 19, 2009 3:16:00 AM -   #21 (permalink)
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ive spoken to this guy this gut this morning as i quized him on it,,,hes saying that he has been approached by one entity who had the rights to a name....and another who had the rights to a film art he used,,,, he basicly sed in so many words that once he had it out with them,,,,,that becoz his images were just a one colour design and that he had changed certain litttle aspects or replaced certain aspects that the imiges had basicly been re-worked,, thus he used the excuse as seen in another post that the designs were re-designed by him,,blah blah blah,,,,and they gave in as they could do nothing.........and he has continued hassle free,,,,,,,,as do 99% of sellers in the uk,,,,,by the way the film was pulp fiction,,,,,,he was just lucky he never used a a full colour transfer of original artwork,,,,or he was gonna have real trouble onhis hands,,, his was just a black n white stencil,,,, i will get a link to this guys tees for all to see,,, that if u wanna you can,, seems as tho its not identicle to the original art youl get away with it no probs
Hi did you manage to get a link to this guys shop so that we all can see thanks

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Old October 19th, 2009 Oct 19, 2009 3:34:05 AM -   #22 (permalink)
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Hi did you manage to get a link to this guys shop so that we all can see thanks

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i thot id nicely ask him 1st if i could advertise his great tees on a t forum to boost his sales,,,thinkn he would say yes straight away..,i told him where incase he saw i didnt want in trouble ,,,,,,, he said no .. seems hes a member on here... says he will sort out a thread himself ,,dont hold your breath tho,,he really wasnt kean on me posting a link,,,,,seems a bit strange that
 
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Unfortunately there are a few people on this forum that get morally outraged, when even a glimmer of copyright breach is mentioned and over react accordingly.

In that context, it really wouldn't be wise for your friend to even mention his actual site on here. Too many interfering folks about.
 
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Unfortunately there are a few people on this forum that get morally outraged, when even a glimmer of copyright breach is mentioned and over react accordingly.

In that context, it really wouldn't be wise for your friend to even mention his actual site on here. Too many interfering folks about.
hi,,,,,,,,, yes i have noticed alot people get on theyre high horse regarding this,,,,in most cases i think it could be sour grapes, towards the people who disregard copyright and profit nicely and hassle free, from film / band shirts etc ,,too many seem a little scared of possible copyright breach etc etc so avoid it alltogether and then constantly preach you cant do this and you cant do that. to those who clearly are,,,i do understand but think too many are very over cautious regarding theyre tee designs in regards to not printing films etc ,,,people all over the planet and some for years and years,,,,have been making various band / film / celebrity tees and not had a problem..... if they ever had,, theyd still not be doing it,,,,,example ive been buying custom band tees from a lad on ebay since 2003,,,,,everything from the sex pistols the stone roses,,,,,,beach boys etc,,, hes been selling these all this time,,,,,
 
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It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't want his shop up on here, but it certainly makes you think i do everything by the book all my t-shirts that i sell through ebay are from official licenced distributors and i say so in all my listings that they are officially licenced and i am even thinking of purchaseing licences for certain characters but it makes me think is it all worth the money when theres all these people blatently breaching copyright,so are all these t-shirt sellers even in america breaching copyright on old tv shows,cartoons etc the likes of truffleshuffle.com i would say these pay out alot of money to have the t-shirts they have would you
 
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It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't want his shop up on here, but it certainly makes you think i do everything by the book all my t-shirts that i sell through ebay are from official licenced distributors and i say so in all my listings that they are officially licenced and i am even thinking of purchaseing licences for certain characters but it makes me think is it all worth the money when theres all these people blatently breaching copyright,so are all these t-shirt sellers even in america breaching copyright on old tv shows,cartoons etc the likes of truffleshuffle.com i would say these pay out alot of money to have the t-shirts they have would you
yeah deffo,,,,,,, buying the official ones is less profit i suppose,,,, if you sell your own tee at say 12,99 a pop ,, aftr the price of shirt ink,,,ebay fees etc,,, your getting ten pounds clear profit,,,,,,,,, i was selling tees i was making for 15.99 a pop and making 13 pounds clear profit from each tee,,,,,,, these were records labels,,, bands kinda thing,,,,the odd starwars shirt ,,just one colour screened,,,,,, i sold over 70 in my 1st 4 weeks,,,,, im no longer doing it tho as im upgrading my set up
 
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Without going into the legalities, you have to look at why people actually buy non official merchandise in the first place. Price is obviously a mitigating factor. Many items of official merchandise are substantially overpriced, particularly sports related items. The other factor is one of choice. Very few vendors of non official merchandise make an exact copy of the original. They will often create a totally unique product to meet the needs of choice within the marketplace.

As eBay is very happy to profit out of all of this, you have to look retrospectively, as to who makes the greatest profit.
 
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Let me put an example up here say for instance the mr men brand if i wanted to create characters based on the same idea as the mr men for example they sorta look the same but different named characters like say mr naughty,mrs whiplash etc and not use an official name in the mr men brand like mr nosey,mr tickle,mr bump etc i would be able to get away with not breaching copyright
 
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I wouldn't want to defend that in court!
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Old October 19th, 2009 Oct 19, 2009 10:07:19 AM -   #30 (permalink)
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the main draw i think for unnoficial tees ,well for me anyway is that,i dont want an official tee that can be purchased or found on most high streets that end up in bargain bins for a fiver, i want summit a bit dfrnt,,not the ones the official stockists have played it safe with knowing would sell bucket loads off,,and in a lot of cases official tees stik to the most poular charactors from say for example starwars,theyd have loads of darth vader tees or tees with r2d2 on it official ones ,nothing obscure,where as on ebay or other custom tee makers, you can find tees with some very cool obscure charactors unavailable anywhere else, i recently bought my son a starwars tee shirt with a guy called bossk on it,and another with a guy called hammerhead on it.i have never nor probly ever will see these guys on atee again ,unless the custom lads are making ,, as the official stockist wont be , unless the charge a fortune,,and most fans would rather pay xtra for these for these custom ,, which im sure will be the case for any film or indeed band tees,[/

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