white shirt production

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rodsps

Discussion Starter · Apr 29, 2014

We have the opportunity to quote a large order of white (actually ash)
shirts with a full color print. I am quoting against our local screen printer who has been around for awhile but not well liked. I know the design is full color so he may have some issues. We are getting into screen print but well have not even got the press out of the crate yet,
and we have had so many problems with transfer lately that I will not even consider that and I think dye sub will be too slow also.
So I am trying to figure out an hourly production rate for the Neo. Now I have to be real conservative since we have never done a large order and not real efficient with the machine, but hey we got to pay for this thing somehow. Pricing help would be appreciated but I really want to know how long this will take. We will pretreat with light pretreat but I don't think that will be the bottleneck. But no white ink.
thanks

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20vK

· #2 · Apr 29, 2014

What do you consider large?

Have you actually used your neo yet? Doesn't that need heat setting too? (Same as sublimation).

If you have used your neo, then you should know production rates. If you haven't, then perhaps you should nail the process before taking on a big job?

allamerican-aeoon

· #3 · Apr 29, 2014

How soon? Do you need to be done and deliver?
Your concern is to almost to every NeoFamily. This is why there are NeoPrinting Center.
Contact me for detail info(I am still not finalize formula yet)
It is good thing you got a big job. Happy!
Sharing between NeoFamily near you isn't a bad idea too.
Cheers! Beers are on me always.

rodsps

Discussion Starter · #4 · Apr 29, 2014

We have used the Neo for 2-3 years now (time flies) but have never gotten real good since have not gotten that many orders but we continue to fight through it. I figured a white/light shirt order would be a good start. So that is why I am considering quoting this process. Till now it's just been mixed in between the other orders.
The quantity is for 700 and the date is the first part of August, but not sure when they usually get their order together. It is a big number but a conservative hourly rate will get me the info I need. I my head even at just 10 per hour it would just take a just over couple weeks.
thanks for any insights.

EricDeem

· #5 · Apr 29, 2014

700 shirts will take 4+ days (8 hours per day) to print depending on the size of the image. If you plan to pretreat the shirts add another day. I have printed a 1200 piece order in 5 days working 16 hours a day!!

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23spiderman

· #6 · Apr 29, 2014

my goal for something like this is 100 shirts per day. i did a 1500 piece order, and i did it over 14 days which was very manageable. i do other things in the shop, so i'm not usually able to be connected to the Neo 100%. this is why i do a lot of my printing late at night when there are no interruptions. the pretreat process will take up time, so it definitely needs to be priced accordingly, but honestly, for jobs this large, i would just run them without the pretreat. i would show your customer one with pretreat and one without, and show them 2 different prices and let them choose.

like Eric said, the times largely depend on the size of the image. if you choose to print in hi-res over production mode, you will almost double your print time. for most 10x12 images in production mode, you should be able to get 35+ per hour. if it's a full size 11x15, then it might be more like 20+ per hour. these are just my guesstimates, so you will want to run some tests when you get the art.

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royster13

· #7 · Apr 29, 2014

700 shirts can be printed buy a contract printer" for less than 1.00 each....Why would one attempt to do this DTG?....

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EricDeem

· #8 · Apr 29, 2014

Depending on the print quality required and the image itself that is a reason for using DTG over contracting it to a screenprinter. Regardless of how good someone is at burning screens and using halftones they will NEVER be able to achieve the resolution and print quality of DTG. I have been in this business for over 15 years and have printed literally MILLIONS of shirts and none compare to what I can achieve on the NeoFlex!!

OP: Regardless of the quantity ordered just remember that DTG costs are linear..in other words it cost the same to produce 1 garment as it does 1000. Price the job accordingly!!

royster13

· #9 · Apr 29, 2014

You DTG folks continue to think resolution matters....IT DOES NOT....Most clients never look at the shirts close enough to be able to tell them apart...What they do care about is price.....Most will walk out the door for the difference in price between DTG and screen printing.....Especially at 700 pieces....

DTG has it's place.....But IMO it is not for 700 shirt runs....

Teez310

· #10 · Apr 29, 2014

Dekay317 said:
700 shirts will take 4+ days (8 hours per day) to print depending on the size of the image. If you plan to pretreat the shirts add another day. I have printed a 1200 piece order in 5 days working 16 hours a day!!

Hey Eric, just wondering how much did you charge for that 1200pc. order, how big was the image, did you pretreat, and was it double-sided? Im just curious as I havnt been close to convincing someone to pony up for dtg at that quantity... but then again Im westcoast and supersaturated market.

23spiderman

· #11 · Apr 29, 2014

i screen print and have been doing DTG since 2008. large runs with either process doesn't bother me in the least. we present the methods and graphics to our customer and let them choose what method they want. the majority of those who have seen and worn the DTG shirts, choose that method over screen printing for future orders.

each method has it's pro/cons, so we let our customers pick what they want. the quantity doesn't really matter on cmyk only prints. and once the NeoPrint Center is up and running, the quantity won't matter at all regardless of cmyk only or white underbase.

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EricDeem

· #12 · Apr 29, 2014

royster13 said:
You DTG folks continue to think resolution matters....IT DOES NOT....Most clients never look at the shirts close enough to be able to tell them apart...What they do care about is price.....Most will walk out the door for the difference in price between DTG and screen printing.....Especially at 700 pieces....

DTG has it's place.....But IMO it is not for 700 shirt runs....

Depends on your market and product. The same argument could be said about anything.

Nobody wants an expensive car they just want to get from point A to point B right? Then explain Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mercedes Benz, BMW etc etc. How about steak? Do you always go to Ponderosa for a steak dinner? Is there no difference between a cut of meat from Ponderosa and one from Ruth's Chris?

My customers care 1000000000% about print quality not price. I have gotten orders of 1200+ pieces and charged $12 each!!

EricDeem

· #13 · Apr 29, 2014

Teez310 said:
Hey Eric, just wondering how much did you charge for that 1200pc. order, how big was the image, did you pretreat, and was it double-sided? Im just curious as I havnt been close to convincing someone to pony up for dtg at that quantity... but then again Im westcoast and supersaturated market.

For large orders like this I would charge $10-$12 each with the garment and pretreating. (Single Sided)

My average retail price is $20-$25 for a single sided dark short sleeve garment.

Teez310

· #14 · Apr 29, 2014

Dude, your awesome. Not many times where you can make 4-500% markup.

Im still very shocked someone willing to pay about 4K more for a quality print.

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EricDeem

· #15 · Apr 29, 2014

A lot of people want exclusivity and high-end goods...I just capitalized on that market and "proved" the cost is justified when my prints are compared with other local competitors!

allamerican-aeoon

· #16 · Apr 29, 2014

Don,
Who is dude to you?

What is lowest price fulfillment people charge to others?
I did not have chance to study on this yet. Someone please help me to save time for me. My hands are so so full. Portugal, Brazil, Germany maybe Asia has to be done in next 30days.
I need Win Win advice.
Big quantity questions are keep popping up here and hitting me all the time. I keep said share jobs with between NeoFamily but it seems not controllable. I don't see why not but hey must be a price.
NeoFamily's concern is my biggest concern. I know majority of us are small but let's grow together. I am in.
Cheers! Inks are on me always.

Teez310

· #17 · Apr 29, 2014

haha, its just slang used when you are excited.

lowest fulfillment price ive seen hovers around 2 dollars with no pretreat on white shirt. 5-6 dollars for white underbase.

allamerican-aeoon

· #18 · Apr 29, 2014 (Edited)

NeoFamily exclusive operation. You are the owner. It is real. Your spent money to AA to this happened. AA always "thank you" to you. I want to say "it is returning investment"

. I have no idea and no detail plans yet, just taking risks. 3-4 labor to operate, lol.
Cheers! Never say Never to all, Go get screen printer's job. They had long enough.

allamerican-aeoon

· #19 · Apr 29, 2014

Teez310 said:
haha, its just slang used when you are excited.

lowest fulfillment price ive seen hovers around 2 dollars with no pretreat on white shirt. 5-6 dollars for white underbase.

Thank you.
No pretreat white $2?
White ink $6
How about 1/2? Can you win screen printer? I am pretty sure you can, no?
Print your business card all over again. Make your new price list.

Proud Yourself please! You made best decision. You deserve rewards.
Cheers! Your success is our success!

allamerican-aeoon

· #20 · Apr 29, 2014 (Edited)

I am not talking about manual screen printer's job. Get Automatic printer's job. We can print better.
Cheers! Prints are on me always.

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