T-Shirt Forums banner

What you wish you knew about DTG

9882 Views 44 Replies 14 Participants Last post by  TABOB
Hi everyone,

I'm just curious to find out some questions that you wished that you asked or things that you wished you knew before you got into DTG printing
1 - 20 of 45 Posts
I wish I had learned a lot more about pre-treating. Once you get it down it really is not big deal. But it is Messy and time consuming and sometimes, not very consistent with the outcome. When I got my DTG it came with a power sprayer, I had no Idea what that would come to mean. Also, the best printed shirts are on 100% Cotton...that is it. If folks want 50/50 it will not be as great of print as on 100% Cotton. I am sure for any DTG there is some equipment sitting that has to be done. You have to keep the inks flowing and it is not good for it to set idle for more than a couple of days. I also wish I had checked out the maintenance that has to be done ahead of time. Guess these are the main things I wish I knew before taking the plunge!
I wish I had learned a lot more about pre-treating. Once you get it down it really is not big deal. But it is Messy and time consuming and sometimes, not very consistent with the outcome. When I got my DTG it came with a power sprayer, I had no Idea what that would come to mean. Also, the best printed shirts are on 100% Cotton...that is it. If folks want 50/50 it will not be as great of print as on 100% Cotton. I am sure for any DTG there is some equipment sitting that has to be done. You have to keep the inks flowing and it is not good for it to set idle for more than a couple of days. I also wish I had checked out the maintenance that has to be done ahead of time. Guess these are the main things I wish I knew before taking the plunge!
Hi!

Which DTG do you have? Approximately how many shirts do you print a week, and if you don't mind sharing...knowing what you know now, would you still invest in a Direct to Garment printer? I ask because I am trying to decide between a cut / print solution and a DTG.
No I would not invest in a Direct to Garment Printer unless I knew I could print 100+ a week on it. I just believe they need to be kept printing ALL the time to be worth it. I have printed quite a bit, more when I first got it. The print is different to sell. The cut solution which I also have has been a much smarter investment.
I wish I had learned a lot more about pre-treating. Once you get it down it really is not big deal. But it is Messy and time consuming and sometimes, not very consistent with the outcome. When I got my DTG it came with a power sprayer, I had no Idea what that would come to mean.
To get great consistent results printing on a DTG you need an automatic pre-treatment sprayer such as the Speed Treater that is sold by EquipmentZone. Anything less would really be for a t-shirt hobbyist I would say.


I am sure for any DTG there is some equipment sitting that has to be done. You have to keep the inks flowing and it is not good for it to set idle for more than a couple of days.
This may be true with most DTG printers on the market (even the new GTX) but not so with the Epson F2100 and the first gen Epson DTG the F2000. With the dry cap station on these machines that puts the print head in a closed environment to keep the head from drying out you can let these machines set untouched and powered off for up to two weeks (Epson recommended)

I also wish I had checked out the maintenance that has to be done ahead of time.
With the F2100 this is a breeze. A 5 minute head cap clean at the end of each print day and a rinse and wipe out the spit filter and you are done. Easy as that.

No I would not invest in a Direct to Garment Printer unless I knew I could print 100+ a week on it. I just believe they need to be kept printing ALL the time to be worth it. I have printed quite a bit, more when I first got it. The print is different to sell. The cut solution which I also have has been a much smarter investment.
That is just old school way of thinking (see the second response above). I too sell cut vinyl tees and signs and believe me DTG printing is a big step up.
@gatorGRAFIX
The first point is true. For consistent results, you need a regulated amount of pre-treatment in an even layer. But i cannot agree with the rest of what you are saying.

Epson F2100:
Leaving the Epson F2100 powered off for two weeks is a really bad idea. I would not leave it powered off for more than 2 days...at least not with the low cost (not genuine epson) inks. The users manual (page 20) recommends that if not printing at least one per week, the printer has to be put on the storage mode. This basically means replacing all ink cartridges with with cleaning fluid ones (6 of them). A lot more maintenance is required... Again as recommended in the Maintenance Schedule. Obviously it not just a "5 minute head cap clean" as you are saying, and in reality there is a lot more work required, when something goes wrong, or when parts need replacing.

Printing volume:
Let's just do the math. 100 shirts per week, 52 week per year, $5 profit per shirt, which is the average when printing for others. 100x52x5=$26,000. Considering the price of the printer, I find this unacceptable.
See less See more
The pretreat saga on the DTG is a hassel. I'm still trying to figure it out. Would I buy it again...probably not.
The pretreat saga on the DTG is a hassel. I'm still trying to figure it out. Would I buy it again...probably not.
As I said... not as easy as it looks. Some people think they can simply jump on the bandwagon and start printing money (in the form of t-shirts). They don't do the math, but just go buy a printer, and think it will be just like printing on paper. Obviously it is not!
Now, having said that... Is it worth it... and most importantly, is it profitable? The answer is possibly, because it can be.
First of all, I would not recommend buying just one printer to anyone. You need at least two, for redundancy, so you can continue printing if one has a problem. Believe me it will happen, and when it does, you will be be losing money, and your mental health at the same time.

Second, you need to be sure, or at least very confident, that you will be able to sell at least 200 ****s per week. This is not a big number... It is just about enough to cover the cost of equipment, rent, etc. Also don't forget about Taxes.

I've been selling wholesale screen-printed T-shirts for many years, and I only started doing DTG a couple of years ago. I started with 2 printers (different brands) and I quickly switched to 4 of the same brand and model.

At this point, I can say that DTG is not too bad, but I cannot say that it can replace screen-printing.
See less See more
The pretreat saga on the DTG is a hassel. I'm still trying to figure it out. Would I buy it again...probably not.
I am sorry to hear that. Maybe you didn't have the right equipment. I'll admit using a "fence sprayer" is a pretty tough way to go. A roller is damn near an impossible task. There are a hand full of very good automatic pretreatment machines out there that make pretreating a t-shirt for DTG printing a breeze. I have one (That feeds 3 DTGs) and it works great for me.

[MENTION=500441]
Leaving the Epson F2100 powered off for two weeks is a really bad idea. I would not leave it powered off for more than 2 days...at least not with the low cost (not genuine epson) inks.
I would like to remind folks that using anything other than Epson brand ink while under warranty will void your warranty. After that you are on your own as with any other DTG. I don't use "econo" inks so I don't know much about them really.


[MENTION=500441]The users manual recommends that if not printing at least one per week, the printer has to be put on the storage mode.
Fair enough but I have been told by more than one Epson tech that that a two week idle period is a "safe" estimate for letting your F2100 sit untouched. They also tell me that this is becuase of the way that Epson built the F2100 to have the head parked in the capping system when not in use. Since I am also a screen printer and sometimes don't print on my F2100 for a week or two at a time I can say this is a safe procedure. Most of the time after about a week I will fire up my machines, print a good nozzle check, do my "5 minute" cap clean (that's right, 5 minutes), rinse the spit filter and wipe out the spit tray. Now having said that, this works great for me but if you don't think it's a good idea in your shop then that's your call.



[MENTION=500441]This basically means replacing all ink cartridges with with cleaning fluid ones (6 of them). A lot more maintenance is required.
I am sure that we all agree this isn't a good idea if you need to let your machine sit for a week or two. That is just silly to even suggest it. Much easier to just do a nozzle check and the shut down procedure in the middle of the week like I outlined above. That would be if your machine sat up for even four weeks I would say. That is how I would do it in my shop.

[MENTION=500441]Obviously it not just a "5 minute head cap clean" as you are saying.
Might not be obvious to you but I have had an Epson DTG for over three years now and I can attest that in my shop that is a pretty obvious fact.


[MENTION=500441]and in reality there is a lot more work required, when something goes wrong, or when parts need replacing.
You make it sound like a DTG is going to need repair after every cleaning. Anyone who has any brand of DTG will tell you that there are a few replaceable parts on all of them, no matter what kind that you have, a a routine replacement schedule of filters and wipers is always a part of owning a DTG. The cool thing about the F2100 it will let you know (in advance) when one of these replaceable items is reaching the end of it's life to give you time to get on the stick and get what ever it needs ordered and shipped to you.

[MENTION=500441]Printing volume:
Let's just do the math. 100 shirts per week, 52 week per year, $5 profit per shirt, which is the average when printing for others. 100x52x5=$26,000. Considering the price of the printer, I find this unacceptable.
Your math works just fine for you I'll agree but not every DTG printer makes only $5.00 profit on every shirt that they sell. Also, not every DTG printer just prints a 100 piece job a week. I just printed two 72 piece jobs (left front and back) yesterday with three DTGs (about 2 hours per job or so from start to finish) and my profits were much more than your price model, I can assure you.

Also people buy DTGs for other reasons too. I use mine to print orders, yes, but I do a lot more with my DTG. I use it to print tons of caps where the profit margins are very very good, I print addons to screen print orders after the job is finished when ever these situations arise. That has been a Godsend in my shop. Not to mention I use my F2100 to print customer samples on.

I also use my DTGs to print Gator Grafix customer "give away" tees too.
I drop one in every box of any printed ordered tees that go out the door. I see them all over town. Really neat.

IN SUMMARY
I guess that it's a matter of choice when owning a DTG. I couldn't be happier with mine but if you (or anyone else) don't think that it's the right call for you then I would say move on to something else. What ever makes YOU happy or is easiest and best-est for you.
See less See more
Let me just make one thing clear here. I have nothing against Epson or the F2100. It is definitely a good machine, and it should be used to make money, not collecting dust.

However, it is not a miracle machine, as some portrait it to be. It needs pretty much the same maintenance as any other DTG printer. I don't care what anyone says... I had this printer for a year, along a much cheaper one from polyprint, and I was equally happy with both. I know people don't like to do the manual flush...but who said it has to be dine manually? A really inexpensive peristaltic pump solves this issue for any DTG printer.



As for the profit margin. It is clear I was talking about the average, which is basically $5 per shirt, and we all know that most shirts have just one printed area. If you have to print front + back + 2 sleeves, then the profit will be $15, but it will also be 3 times the work.



In any case... as I've already said, DTG is not easy. So be prepared people!
Hi everyone,

I'm just curious to find out some questions that you wished that you asked or things that you wished you knew before you got into DTG printing
I want to know why with DTG, do I still get some white outlines on dark garments?
[/QUOTE]
Printing volume:
Let's just do the math. 100 shirts per week, 52 week per year, $5 profit per shirt, which is the average when printing for others. 100x52x5=$26,000. Considering the price of the printer, I find this unacceptable.[/QUOTE]


So, even based on your very low estimate of only $5 profit per T, you are still getting a ROI in 1 year. I find that VERY acceptable. At a more realistic $10 profit per shirt and doing 75 shirts per week, your ROI would be about 8 months. Those are very favorable numbers as long as you can get the work.
I want to know why with DTG, do I still get some white outlines on dark garments?
Because fabric expands when wet.;)
The heavier the white layer, the more it will expand.
So, even based on your very low estimate of only $5 profit per T, you are still getting a ROI in 1 year. I find that VERY acceptable. At a more realistic $10 profit per shirt and doing 75 shirts per week, your ROI would be about 8 months. Those are very favorable numbers as long as you can get the work.
If you know you can sell at least 75 shirts per week, and for $10 profit, then it is just about OK.
A 12 months ROI on consumables is not OK, and these small printers are actually consumables. They will not last for ever.


In short... DTG is not a cheap printing method, AND it is not as easy as printing on paper.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
In short... DTG is not a cheap printing method, AND it is not as easy as printing on paper.
I guess not with those "one off" custom DTGs you have. Probably reworked with Epson paper printer heads in them I would guess.
I guess not with those "one off" custom DTGs you have. Probably reworked with Epson paper printer heads in them I would guess.

Correct. The way I do it, the average print costs around $0.30 for both dark and light garments, and my ROI for the 4 printers was less than a month. But my method is hybrid DTG... because I screen print the white under base, and I print minimum 100 shirts per design. This is also one of the reasons why I had to have custom made printers. I will be converting them to 9ft flatbeds this year, so I can print 6 shirts at a time. It's less than $150 in parts for each printer. :D
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Correct. The way I do it, the average print costs around $0.30 for both dark and light garments, and my ROI for the 4 printers was less than a month. But my method is hybrid DTG... because I screen print the white under base, and I print minimum 100 shirts per design. This is also one of the reasons why I had to have custom made printers. I will be converting them to 9ft flatbeds this year, so I can print 6 shirts at a time. It's less than $150 in parts for each printer. :D
Now you reveal yourself at last to be an evil genius ;)

How do you ensure alignment of the screen printed underbase with the DTG print? Even with building a bit of a border/bleed into the DTG image, you must have a reasonably quick and accurate means of achieving alignment. My best guess is that you mount the garments to their DTG hoops/platens/whatever before screen printing, and that those serve to register your print on press as well as on the DTG. But that is just my WAG.
Now you reveal yourself at last to be an evil genius ;)

How do you ensure alignment of the screen printed underbase with the DTG print? Even with building a bit of a border/bleed into the DTG image, you must have a reasonably quick and accurate means of achieving alignment. My best guess is that you mount the garments to their DTG hoops/platens/whatever before screen printing, and that those serve to register your print on press as well as on the DTG. But that is just my WAG.
i was thinking the same..how do u line those up!
Now you reveal yourself at last to be an evil genius ;)

How do you ensure alignment of the screen printed underbase with the DTG print? Even with building a bit of a border/bleed into the DTG image, you must have a reasonably quick and accurate means of achieving alignment. My best guess is that you mount the garments to their DTG hoops/platens/whatever before screen printing, and that those serve to register your print on press as well as on the DTG. But that is just my WAG.

Well, this method woks best for designs having an outline, but it can be done without it as well.

You've answered your own question about registration.

Obviously DTG printers will print layer over layer with excellent registration. So, all I had to do is make removable platens that can be mounted on the press and on the printer. The base plate of the press is aligned to the base plate of the printer, and two alignment pins ensure perfect platen registration in seconds. This way you can actually align all the press stations between them, and to one or more printers.

All common sense really.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
1 - 20 of 45 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top