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Hey, I was just wondering what to charge for a Gildan heavy blend navy blue hoodie, full front and back, and each team player's name on back, as well, printed in white (what a pain). I had to do artwork and three screens to complete job.

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Hey, I was just wondering what to charge for a Gildan heavy blend navy blue hoodie, full front and back, and each team player's name on back, as well, printed in white (what a pain). I had to do artwork and three screens to complete job.

Thanks,
Scott:)
Unbelievable. Not picking on you but it is unbelievable how many times I see questions like this where people haven't a clue how to price something.

It is also unbelievable how little info on how to price is out there for those new to the business to utilize when developing their pricing.

I know I fought with the concepts of pricing correctly for years when I first started. I did everything from look at other pricing on the internet to making stuff up.

Maybe I should start a class on pricing and teach this over looked aspect of the industry.

I cannot tell you what to charge for those hoddies but I can tell you what to take into consideration when coming up with a price.

You first need to have some idea of your shops hourly rate. It does not make any difference if you run your shop 40 hours a week or 2 hours a week. You will still have an hourly rate it takes to pay for running everything.

Production time is a need to know and is one of the hardest to figure up front when you are first starting but a few bad guesses is better then no guess. After awhile you will be able to estimate about how long it will take you to print a job.

Screens. Do you have a set screen setup charge? How long does it take you to turn a screen around from a clean screen all the way back to a clean screen? 30 minutes? 15? and hour? How many screens can you coat with a gallon of emulsion? How much does it cost you in chemicals to clean and reclaim them. Do not forget about wear and tear on the screens because at some point they will need to be replaced.

Garment markup. Are you marking the garments up correctly for your situation? If you have to totally reprint a job and replace all garments is it going to cost you more than the profit you made off the job? If so them you need to rethink your garment markup methodology. At minimum your end price should be at least twice what it cost for the garment delivered to your door. And this is just the minimum.

For printed names think about how many names you can get on a screen and if you have to move the screen to print each name. If you can gang 4 names on a screen and your screen setup fees are $20.00 then you need to charge more than $5.00 per name to print them.

Pricing also depends on quantity. At a low quantity those hoodies may need to be priced out at $28.00 to $30.00 a piece. Maybe more, maybe less. There are too many variables you did not include like how many hoodies, how many colors on the front, how many colors on the back? Was there art plus a players name on the back or just the players name?

Good luck.
 

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Hey, there were 10. Also, in response to the other guy's e-mail above, it was white ink only, front and back with full artwork, and name at the bottom of the artwork on the back. Thanks for the help!!!
 

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Unbelievable. Not picking on you but it is unbelievable how many times I see questions like this where people haven't a clue how to price something.

It is also unbelievable how little info on how to price is out there for those new to the business to utilize when developing their pricing.
YES with a capital YES!!!

A favorite rant of mine revolves around "Art and the business of art". Anyone wanting to do art and make money at it, HAS TO learn the business/money/sales/marketing aspect of the craft. If not, you lose money, the market gets depressed and everyone loses.

Same with screen printing. There's the printing part, but then there's the business part. Both elements (should) go together seamlessly and are inextricably intertwined but too often more weight is given to the technical details of the actual printing process and the business part is left as an afterthought or toss up. Must be a right brained/left brained thing.

I've come across some pretty good trade magazine articles on pricing and there are workshop classes offered at trade shows that would be a good start. Once it's dialed in, there's quote/pricing software available to ease the process.

Hmmmm... ;)

Look up Greg Kitson. He's written and done some stuff on the subject. Has both aspects of the process mastered.

Just a note: Check out your local market and consider it but don't let what other people charge be such a deciding factor AND NEVER UNDERCUT JUST GET THE JOB!!!:mad: You'll be forever juggling and cutting yourself out in the long run!
 

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Hey, I was just wondering what to charge for a Gildan heavy blend navy blue hoodie, full front and back, and each team player's name on back, as well, printed in white (what a pain). I had to do artwork and three screens to complete job.

Thanks,
Scott:)
I'm hoping you gave a price upfront, completed the job and got paid already as opposed to having it done and waiting to give a price.

What did you charge for the job?
 

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I would also take into the consideration if the customer will be a repeat customer. Teams are awesome for coming back every year if you do a good job. Basic names and numbers are easy artwork and you only have to do the logo once if they are a repeat.
 

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If your cart is so far in front of the horse that it got hit by a semi, eventually the horse will quit working when it realizes it doesn't have any reason to keep pulling.
OK. I'm not even going to question that one. It sounds deep enough to be some serious wisdom so I'll just leave it at that.

Mind if I use it from time to time? :D
 

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Unbelievable. Not picking on you but it is unbelievable how many times I see questions like this where people haven't a clue how to price something.

Yep, I'm always amazed when I see these kinds of pricing questions pop up. You'd think this would be one of the first things to consider, not one of the last.

You first need to have some idea of your shops hourly rate. It does not make any difference if you run your shop 40 hours a week or 2 hours a week. You will still have an hourly rate it takes to pay for running everything.

What's even more amazing, is the fact some printers have no idea what their hourly shop rate is ... which is obviously one of the reasons they have no idea how to price their products and services properly.
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Well, thanks to the people who were helpful. I didn't know I was coming on here to get beat up. I was actually just asking for my husband, who does the screen printing portion of our business and I do the embroidery. I just wanted to make sure he was in line with everybody else's pricing, which he was. I always use the embroidery forum if I have any questions, so I figured I would go to the nice, helpful people in the screen printing forum. I have never had such an experience with the embroidery forum. Yes, we might not be experts at this, but you need to remember that we all start somewhere, and any information we can give to help people we would...not try to break them down. Anyways, thanks to those who were helpful. I thought that is what the forum is all about, to be helpful.

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You know I re-read all the posts, including mine, and while some were a bit...caustic, I wouldn't consider any of them "beating up" but that's just my opinion.

I also re-read the original post and I believe a lot of assumptions were made based on the wording of the post as well as the title "What to charge for hoodies". (Insert quote about what happens when we assume...LOL!)

"I was wondering what to charge for..." implies something totally different than say, "I charged $$$. Wondering if I'm in line with everyone else".

That being said, I'm not offering an excuse for what may have been construed as "beating up", just an explanation. Contrary to your fair and understandable initial impression, there are tons of nice and helpful people here. You'll just have to post more to find that out ;)

Oh, and you've been fortunate in your emroidery forum experiences. I've been to some embroidery forums and seen a lot worse :D.
 

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Don't take it personally Angie, no one was "beating you up".

The truth is, all feedback can be helpful, even feedback that might seem a little harsh.

Unfortunately, it seems that a fairly high percentage of people get into the apparel decorating business with a strong propensity for the design/art/creative side of the business ... and a lot of enthusiasm ... (both are very good attributes) ... however, many of these folks seem to forget, avoid, or neglect the basic pricing/accounting/business side of the operation ... sadly, many new businesses fail due this common (yet flawed) approach. I don't think anyone was accusing you of this. I'm guessing the comments (the one's you didn't like) are simply a reflection of the way in which your original question was worded, which made it seem like you had the cart in front of the horse.

PS: I've also found that most of the members of the T-Shirt Forum are extremely helpful ... and most are rooting for everyone's success (including yours).

Good luck.
 

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Your original post was very strange and misleading as far as details go. You made it sound like you had done the job without even giving a price and were going to wait until you got an answer before charging the customer. Why not start out with "my husband did this job for this price, did we undercharge?" Why sign it as your husband if he wasn't even the one who posted? Without that information, it's no wonder everyone jumped down your throat.
 
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