see guys, this is turning into a roland/graphtec thread and my purpose was to find out about OTHER brands that are pretty well known for there quality and less expensive??? im hearing that the a.r.m.s(optic eye) feature on these things are like an additional $1000 more than the regular brands without, and just like some of the other people say, i think i can use sissors for that amount of money if infact i even ever needed that feature.i really just want to do vinyl, foil, metallics, and flock, but i must admit that graphtecs price did seem pretty tempting. with that package would i just be able to install and start cutting or will i have to purchase something else like software??? also whats a good price on a roland gx-24 in the same kind of package??? but my original question is still what are some other quality brands for less money????