[Different]

Is there any of you artists out there that use the Wacom Cintique? I have used the Intuos for 15 years, but I'm thinking about moving up to a different level of illustrating. There is the 13 HD for $999. The larger display is more desirable, but the price tag is scary.

I would love to hear some feedback from those of you that have experienced either. And on the pros and cons, and what you would recommend. Thanks in advance!

Different

 

[lemorris]

There's comparable products out now, that bite a lot less hard.

Check out the Huion gt-190

Cintique is my ultimate goal too, but I'm leaning towards a baby step

 

[lemorris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNpLygCMF6o

 

[jtilden]

I recently upgraded from the Bamboo, it was the best upgrade so far this year. Being able to recreate an image by actually "drawing" on top of it has made life easier, and time spent digitizing or drawing faster. If you do a lot of recreating of low res graphics and get paid a fee for doing so, you will make your money back easily due to the sheer fact that you will be able to do more in less time...

 

[Different]

There's comparable products out now, that bite a lot less hard.

Check out the Huion gt-190

Cintique is my ultimate goal too, but I'm leaning towards a baby step

Hey Lemorris! That is some great info. I just checked out the link you posted and noticed there were quite a few more reviews. I am definitely looking a little deeper into Huion. Thanks!

Different

 

[Different]

I recently upgraded from the Bamboo, it was the best upgrade so far this year. Being able to recreate an image by actually "drawing" on top of it has made life easier, and time spent digitizing or drawing faster. If you do a lot of recreating of low res graphics and get paid a fee for doing so, you will make your money back easily due to the sheer fact that you will be able to do more in less time...

What size did you purchase?

 

[jtilden]

What size did you purchase?

The 13 inch....works fine for me. And I was able to take it with me during my deployment to Kuwait.

 

[Different]

The 13 inch....works fine for me. And I was able to take it with me during my deployment to Kuwait.

Hmmm? You may have just sold me on the 13 inch! Thanks!

Different

 

[donsignguy]

I took the plunge 3 mo ago got the 13 for 999 I also got the screen protector I lov it and use it non stop all day it does get a little worm on the bottem of the edge I use it right handed but not so much it concerns me it has increased my design time by 30% faster and the size is not an issue. I was not happy with the 20 $ screen protector and now I make my own from a role of clear over lay materal it scratches up so I replace it once a week the role was 20 bucks from hobby lobby and will last 4 months

 

[ProSeparatorNJ]

I have a Cintiq 22HD. It gets the job done. I set it up as my primary monitor. This way I can work more fluidly between drawing and mouse/keyboard work. Otherwise, it's a great device. Because of the Cintiq I do stuff that I would hesitate to do on paper. Digital drawing makes somethings much easier but drawing on a glass has it's issues. But the pros far outweigh the cons. It's expensive though. If you know you can make money with it then it's probably a good buy. I design and sell t-shirts, plus color separations and freelance work for a living so for me it's great. Because I use it as a primary monitor I actually wish it were bigger. Mine is not a touch screen. And I don't want a touch screen. I like working with the buttons. I think that if it were touchscreen it would be accident prone and I'd be dealing with another level of distraction from actually drawing.

 

[Different]

Thank all of you guys for all of the great information. I have still not made the decision. The choices are so infinite and they all sound good. This thread has given me a lot of food to think on and I will be very confident in which one I decide to buy. Thanks again!

Different

 

[ProSeparatorNJ]

This is a good read. In fact, read his entire blog at frenden.com. A ton of useful info about tablets and digitizers there.

FRENDEN

 

[Different]

This is a good read. In fact, read his entire blog at frenden.com. A ton of useful info about tablets and digitizers there.

FRENDEN

Nice site. Very informative! I thank you for that link. As a matter of fact I ordered the YINOVA MSP19U. Next week will be exciting! I'll drop back in and let everyone know what I think after I get acquainted with my new toy.

I recommend this site to anyone who likes champagne on a beer budget.

Different

 

[bentcycle]

awesome heads up on the Huion gt-190! it never showed up in my recent search for an on screen graphics monitor. i hate using a mouse, and would hate it even more for graphics, but nice sized on screen graphics monitors aren't cheap, but that one is at least affordable, and in a quick look for it saw it's 4 star rated on amazon. more research is needed, but i think i might get one myself when i build my system and then get a 24" dell or NEC second reference monitor to check for color accuracy etc. even the $2,500 wacoms aen't the most color accurate.

oh wow! now there's the YINOVA MSP19U too! this has been THE most helpful thread i've read here yet! i seriously thing a graphics monitor is going to be the central part of my graphics computer once i get down to putting one together.

thanks so much for those two options as well as the link i haven't even looked at yet.

 

[ProSeparatorNJ]

Here's another really good read concerning tablets. He documents transitioning from a Cintiq to a Surface Pro, and he's also using Manga Studio. Lots of detailed info from a real pro.

My Transition to Surface Pro and Manga Studio - jonathancase.net

 

[cornpopps]

Also check out the 19in Interactive Pen Display by Monoprice. Also reviewed highly with some caveats on Frenden.com at just under $400 for a 19" drawing tablet, it may be worth a look.

 

[Different]

View attachment 94210 Okay, I tried the Yiynova MSP19U for part of a week. Ixnay on that. I have already put in a return to Amazon. I may have to pay the restocking fee and shipping, but I will save the rest of the money to go to a Cintiq 22HD.

The Yiynova MSP19U was fair for the price, but I feel that it was a step down from the Intuos. I work in illustrator a lot and the Yiynova MSP19U is not compatible with the pressure sensitivity brushes, and I use them to pen and ink my sketches. I already have the Intuos and had to uninstall the drivers because of the conflict with Yiynova MSP19U. That' s another $300 or so to put away in the closet if I kept the Yiynova MSP19U.

The resolution is low and I knew that going into it, but the color calibration was horrendous. No matter how well I set it, it would jump back into a blue shade. I tried doing some separations and found it difficult to judge without dragging over to the other monitor.

I discovered Wacom 14 or 15 years ago, and my art has evolved as I have upgraded to the next level as the Wacom tablets have moved up to a new level. Now it is time to evolve to the next level and continue with the brand that I am confident with using.

When I get the Yiynova MSP19U sent back and the Cintiq HD22 in my hands, I will be back on this thread to let you guys know what I think!

Different

 

[bentcycle]

i'm planning on getting the yiynova 19" model myself. it seems yto be more stable than the huion as well as "kingbee" (? i think) chinese models and for the $620 price, i can afford a 22 inch dell "reference monitor" for about $430 and still have money left over from going the wacom route.

in all the reviews i read, a lot of people prefer the more fluid pressure sensitivity over wacom's "either on or off" limited sensitivity.

there will be some limitations in using the yiynova, but NOTHING can substitute for directly drawing on a screen to do computer graphics. i never even liked airbrushing because of the lack of tactile feedback, so doing everything off a screen i'm physically in contact with seems more intuitive, especially for airbrush effects.

the yiynova seems to offer the best value for the money, and some better features, though with some lower quality than wacom, but for the price of one wacom screen, i could get 4 yiynovas in case i get so frustrated i break 3 of them. LOL

 

[ProSeparatorNJ]

in all the reviews i read, a lot of people prefer the more fluid pressure sensitivity over wacom's "either on or off" limited sensitivity.

I've read that same thing. Wacom is not best about all things. But I've also read that support for these other devices in terms of drivers is rather sketchy. One thing I must say about Wacom is that their support for drivers is incredible. I can still install and use my Intuos tablet from circa late 90's, USB1, in my Windows 8 PC today. They keep the drivers updated, seemingly forever. It's also worth mentioning that the thing actually still does work! It seems to be built to last forever. I really wanted to consider something cheaper, but in the end I didn't want a situation where if I needed support it wouldn't be easy to get. Or that drivers may not be updated in a timely fashion. And lastly, I wanted a bigger screen. I would have gone with the 24" but I thought that the rotation ability of the 22" version made more sense to me. Now I think I might have done better with the design of the 24 because it can be brought forward towards the user, rather than my having to move up closer to it. I might donate this one to my son and get the 24". There are so many things to consider.

 

[ProSeparatorNJ]

View attachment 94210 Okay, I tried the Yiynova MSP19U for part of a week. Ixnay on that. I have already put in a return to Amazon. I may have to pay the restocking fee and shipping, but I will save the rest of the money to go to a Cintiq 22HD.

The Yiynova MSP19U was fair for the price, but I feel that it was a step down from the Intuos. I work in illustrator a lot and the Yiynova MSP19U is not compatible with the pressure sensitivity brushes, and I use them to pen and ink my sketches. I already have the Intuos and had to uninstall the drivers because of the conflict with Yiynova MSP19U. That' s another $300 or so to put away in the closet if I kept the Yiynova MSP19U.

The resolution is low and I knew that going into it, but the color calibration was horrendous. No matter how well I set it, it would jump back into a blue shade. I tried doing some separations and found it difficult to judge without dragging over to the other monitor.

Yeah, I looked over everything, and decided that I would just go with a trusted brand. Even though these other companies have some advantages. Wacom is far more expensive, but frankly I wanted the larger monitor and I wanted a company that is going to have the best support in terms of drivers anyway. I was afraid of surprises. With Wacom, no surprises.

When I get the Yiynova MSP19U sent back and the Cintiq HD22 in my hands, I will be back on this thread to let you guys know what I think!

Different

The HD22 is very good. It's built sturdy, and I haven't had any kind of problem with drivers, or any software from Serif DrawPlus to Illustrator to Photoshop, Manga Studio, and Corel Painter. Everything works well. Really, the biggest difference in the quality of pressure sensitivity has been the programs themselves. In Photoshop, I can be drawing and suddenly, it just "blobs out" for no reason. I have to undo and make the stroke again. Generally speaking, Manga Studio seems to have the best pressure sensitivity. That goes for my two tablet PCs as well using dimestore quality styli. The HD22 does have an issue with lag where you can watch the cursor follow the stylus around the screen. It doesn't effect me at all when drawing/painting, but when doing typical "mouse" functions, like tapping icons, I have to be a little careful or I'll miss. But probably the Wacom stuff is still overall the most trouble free game in town.

Programming the buttons and the stylus buttons works well on a per program basis. I've had it now for about a year I think and it's working well. Eventually, I decided to just use it as a primary monitor. For that purpose, it's a little small, but it allows me smoother workflow. Much of my work combines mouse and stylus. I like that I can more quickly switch from stylus to mouse/keyboard, and back without too much hassle. Where I used to plan my work separately, I now easily combine the different operations at will because they are both easily accessible. Also, the two monitor thing was kind of a hassle. They had different resolutions and going back and forth was kind of aggravating. I may even go for the 24" Cintiq. I think the design which allows you to bring the screen closer to yourself makes more sense to me than the ability to rotate the screen around. I can rotate the screen virtually in most software so I rarely actually rotate the whole monitor, which only really works if you can lay it down practically flat. Anyway, good luck.