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Vinyl Inventory to Start With?

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Ok so Im starting from the ground up with a roland GX-24 and my question is if I plan on doing banners and vehicle decals to start off with how should my beginning vinyl inventory look? here is what I have in mind

631 12 color starter pack 24"x10yds
651 12 color starter pack 24"x10yds
Intermediate Calandered 15"x50yds(x2, 1B,1W)
Clear Transfer Paper 24"x100
Transfer Paper 24"x100
Two Color Banner Starter Kit 6 Colors 24"x5

I'm not sure what Cast to offer to start with, suggestions? I also wonder if my Application Paper should be less than 24" wide since most graphics will not be that long. Any Ideas?

-J.D.

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631 is for wall words or temporary signs, it has water based glue. I wouldn't recommend getting any of that unless you are planning on offering them to customers, which if you are clear tape is not what you would use for it. Also I would not get 50 yds. of black and I'm not sure if I'd start with that much white either. I buy mine in 24" by 50 yds of white, but I'm pretty established and it still takes me awhile to go through it, granted I try to steer everyone to printed now though.

Dunno exactly what your Two Color Banner Starter Kit 6 Colors 24"x5 is so I can't comment on that. Cast I wouldn't even worry about right now, another thing is to try to get a local distributor, they can really help you out.

I would get whatever local schools colors are and use them with a white base for window decals, because parents are always wanting their kids sport decals for their car windows.
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David,

Thanks for the input, I plan on offering the 631 for home accents as u feel that's a pretty strong market here. I want the clear transfer for multiple color decals. I was biting the 50yrd rolls just so I wouldn't be running around for vinyl and was pretty well stocked stocked up. What would the shelf life of vinyl be approximatly if sties in a concession trailer?

-J.D.
You're going to want low-med tack paper tape for 631, clear tape will pull paint off of drywall. Shelf life is supposed to be around a year, but I haven't had any sit around that long. I'd be more inclined to just get setup first and let the market dictate where your business goes.
Thanks for the tip I would have probably learned the hard way on that one, the clear is usable on autos and glass correct? As far as letting the market dictate the product I offer As a salesman you cant sell what you cant offer and you cant offer what you dont have. I feel If I invest in the materials for the products that I feel will sell in my market then I can judge from there and decide which way to restock when that time comes.

What do you think would be a good setup would be as far as vinyl would be concerned? I already have a list of all school colors for all surrounding districts. Luckily for me 14 schools only have 8 colors total. But what about 24" as compared to 15"? Am I just going to end up with more scrap with 24"? Same question with transfer paper.

-J.D.
I seem to have used more white than anything else, so I don't feel too bad about buying a bigger roll of that than other colors.

I would get a small roll of Oracal 751 in black and white for both irregular/curved surfaces (helmets, trucks with rivets, etc) and a rivet brush, as well as for anything that is going to be in a very harsh environment or needs long-term permanency (address numbers on outside doors and windows, boat registration numbers). You can slowly add to this. I would be doing things like "fun decals" "stick figure families" in 651 and more important things "business fleet vehicles" in 751 or higher.
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What do you think would be a good setup would be as far as vinyl would be concerned? I already have a list of all school colors for all surrounding districts. Luckily for me 14 schools only have 8 colors total. But what about 24" as compared to 15"? Am I just going to end up with more scrap with 24"? Same question with transfer paper.

-J.D.
I buy 24" wide vinyl and transfer tape. You can save the scraps and use them on something else.
White, White, White! Great Investment. Most vehicles you see have white die cut decals. And if not, they are full color. I buy my transfer tape in several sizes. Never have needed 24"
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I would get a small roll of Oracal 751 in black and white for both irregular/curved surfaces (helmets, trucks with rivets, etc)
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I would be doing things like "fun decals" "stick figure families" in 651 and more important things "business fleet vehicles" in 751 or higher.
do the higher product numbers indicate better conformity and longer life?
Oracal 651 is "calendered". The way calendered vinyl is made, it has "memory" and may shrink (causing white edges on darker colors), and is usually made with lower quality polymers and adhesives. The cheaper calendered vinyls, especially in-house or no-name stuff off eBay, simply won't last for anything more than a short term sign, such as advertising a local art fest or charity car wash.

Oracal 651 is higher quality than most calendered vinyls. I recently posted a thread showing 651 after a year in Florida weather on a metal building, which is certainly a very severe install location (much more temperature shifting than on a glass window of a normal storefront, and no overhang at all). Not even 651 will install properly on anything more than a gentle curve (such as a rear car window) or over a rivet.

http://www.t-shirtforums.com/vinyl-signs-decals/t188488.html

Oracal 751 is "cast" vinyl. Cast vinyl generally will not shrink, is usually made with higher quality polymer and often has a different adhesive than calendered vinyl has. It can be applied to sharper curves and will conform over rivets if you are lettering a box truck, etc. 751 is the "lowest" level of cast. Oracal's website will give you the lifetime rating for each type, 651 is actually quite high for calendered, 6 years, 751 is 8 years. Black/white, transparents, and metallics often have different lifetime ratings than the rest of the vinyl in the same class.

You will want to look up reviews of whatever vinyl you are using. There are other brands, like 3M, LG, Arlon, and Avery. Some of these have a bad reputation for mistakes the manufacturers have made in the past. 651 came up the most when I researched what vinyl to get as far as quality vs price, but I plan on doing more small custom novelty decals than serious branding lettering and graphics on a company's fleet of vehicles. A lot of places consider it unprofessional to use any calendered vinyl for that, but I am quite impressed with 651 so far.
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