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The Grey Area Of Copyright!

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Hey there, I have recently read articles here in Australia with regards to copyright, the dos and donts etc. After all that, I am still at a loss with regards to what is protected, and what isn't.

For example:

Trademarks (applying to names) can be protected (obvious one)
Designs (prints on T-shirts, art work etc can be protected - this one is obviously broken by many - I've seen a heap of T-shirts printed here in Oz at retailers, and they get away with it by doing a limited print run!!)

The third which is the confusing bit - is the design of the clothing article itself (ie the cut, certain features like pockets, colours etc). I have recently noticed someone selling a piece of apparel which is identical in style to mine (1:1). No logos or prints have been copied however. In this case, is it a pretty futile attempt? I can't exactly copyright this design can I?

After reading around, it seems as though replicas of fashion designers are seen floating around hours after a show so its not a really well defined area. I am not overly concerned but I thought I would see what the go is with this area of clothing!

Regards
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Oh, I'm sure it's a well defined area. It's just that people either don't know, or don't care.

You should probably have a Mod move this to the Australia section. Laws are different in the states.
Trademarks (applying to names) can be protected (obvious one)
Yes, trademarks have the most defined rules in regards to protection.

Designs (prints on T-shirts, art work etc can be protected - this one is obviously broken by many - I've seen a heap of T-shirts printed here in Oz at retailers, and they get away with it by doing a limited print run!!)
Often times, clothing companies and design agencies go through so many designs that they don't actually register copyrights or actively pursue legal action for infringement. That doesn't make it legal or ethical to steal designs, obviously, but copyright protection can be very loose. So it is often taken for granted.

The third which is the confusing bit - is the design of the clothing article itself (ie the cut, certain features like pockets, colours etc). I have recently noticed someone selling a piece of apparel which is identical in style to mine (1:1). No logos or prints have been copied however. In this case, is it a pretty futile attempt? I can't exactly copyright this design can I?
Currently, there are no copyright laws that protect the actual article of clothing. It is definitely a big issue within the fashion industry and its something that will probably get regulated at some point. But for now, it's pretty futile to take legal action to protect your work. If someone were knocking off your designs and using your brand or label, that would be different. But the clothing itself cannot be copyrighted.

If something about your designs were innovative or utilitarian, you could possibly be eligible for a patent.

EDIT: This is based on US law. But from most I have read, IP laws in the US and Australia are fairly similar. But to be sure, it's always best to consult an attorney who's familiar with laws in your specific jurisdiction.
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Yeah thanks for that. I am concerned with people using my brand name, but in terms of the clothing that's what I thought - but I should double check here for Oz. I have ready a few pdfs and they say similar things - in that if someone copies a garment of yours that is mass produced (same cut/colours/styles/pockets etc) there's not a whole lot that can be done.

Just thought I'd check before I waste money with lawyers etc just asking simple questions.

Cheers for the responses!

Edit: I haven't been able to find the Oz version, but I imagine our laws are quite similar. This answers my Q pretty much:

Some distinctions are clear. For instance, a painting on the side of a truck is protectable under copyright law even though the truck is a useful article. The painting is clearly separable from the utilitarian aspects of the truck. The overall shape of the truck, on the other hand, would not be copyrightable since the shape is an essential part of the truck's utility. Another commonly considered example is that of clothing. The print found on the fabric of a skirt or jacket is copyrightable, since it exists separately from the utilitarian nature of the clothing. However, there is no copyright in the cut of the cloth, or the design of the skirt or jacket as a whole, since these articles are utilitarian. This is true even of fanciful costumes; no copyright protection is granted to the costume as a whole.
I have my own general rule: if a person created it for public use, it's copyright-protected. End of story.
When something is created for public use, that's when it's usually not copyright protected.


ABrandWithNoName.com
Very interesting indeed as I can hold 2 t-shirts up from 2 different suppliers and they are the same with similar names and same colours.
How do you prove they copied the block? T-shirts to be sized have similar chest measurements, grammage, sleeve lenght and overall length to maintain a standard.

To be honest mate you will need to proove they copied it which is going to be hard unless your block is something quite new.
When something is created for public use, that's when it's usually not copyright protected.


ABrandWithNoName.com
I don't think that he meant public rights, just to be shown to the public or used by them???
I don't think that he meant public rights, just to be shown to the public or used by them???
I probably interpreted his comment more literally than he meant it.

But to clarify...
When something is intended for public use, then it usually would not qualify for copyright protection. This is why it's hard to protect typefaces, because they are utilitarian by nature... they are created and distributed for the purpose of being used. It's counterproductive to allow people to create and distribute something to be used by the public and then allow them to enforce how and why the public uses it. For t-shirt purposes, when a design is created, printed on a shirt and released for retail sale, it is the shirt itself that intended to be purchased and worn. So that is why the garment cannot be copyrighted. But there obviously is no intent for the design on the shirt to be copied and reproduced by the public. So the design can be copyright protected, even though it is visible to the public on a website, in retail stores, on the shirt, etc.
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