Sublimating iPhone, Blacks are Faded. HELP!

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jigstafari

Discussion Starter · May 1, 2012

Good Morning,

I have recently started sublimating on iPhone cases. My current setup is as follows:

Workforce 30 CISS Printer, with Gercutter Dye Sub Ink.
Royal Sublimation Paper
Heat press at 400 Degrees, 37 Seconds.

My problem is that my blacks are not coming out vivid or strong. They are brownish at times. Sometimes the images come out faded as well.

Please advise. Also I am considering purchasing a workforce 1100 with CISS. Which ink should i use? Pigment or dye sublimation ink?

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T Industry

· #2 · May 1, 2012

Ive the same problem, its probably the china metal sheets...doesnt matter what ink you use...

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jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 1, 2012

Is it possible to fix this by spraying a polyester coating over the metal insert? Like digicoat?

T Industry

· #4 · May 1, 2012

I dont know. My feeling says no cozz you always put it in pockets etc. Thats why it is fading i think! But ive read Conde has quality sheets...

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jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 1, 2012

Well my issue is also when i print on my sub paper, the blackd are brown. When i transfer whatever the colors are on my paper it will be the same on the insert. Ive tried pressing with the film on the insert and without. I get diff results, with the film it appears glossy without it leaves fibers/residue from the paper. I get ok results with light colors but they could be more vivid.

jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #6 · May 1, 2012

T Industry said:
I dont know. My feeling says no cozz you always put it in pockets etc. Thats why it is fading i think! But ive read Conde has quality sheets...

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Have you tried the conde inserts? What are your experiences?

T Industry

· #7 · May 1, 2012

No just Chinese...

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Scooooter

· #8 · May 1, 2012

I use the conde inserts & have no problems.

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Albie1

· #9 · May 1, 2012

Same here I use Conde inserts no problems...

jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 1, 2012

Scooooter said:
I use the conde inserts & have no problems.

Do you also have the WF30 Printer and ger cutter ink? Any advice you can give me as my blacks turn brown when printed on sublimation paper and also when transfered. Thank you

Scooooter

· #11 · May 1, 2012

jigstafari said:
Do you also have the WF30 Printer and ger cutter ink? Any advice you can give me as my blacks turn brown when printed on sublimation paper and also when transfered. Thank you

I have an epson 4800 and use their regular transfer paper. You've done a nozzle check and everything's fine? Other items are printing fine?

jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #12 · May 1, 2012

Scooooter said:
I have an epson 4800 and use their regular transfer paper. You've done a nozzle check and everything's fine? Other items are printing fine?

Nozzle Check is fine.

Here is an example of my latest printed image. As you can see the black is faded, but light colors do well.

Image

http://i.imgur.com/ZoXNZ.jpg

Scooooter

· #13 · May 1, 2012

This is one I just did. Coloring came out great. Looks blurry because I took a low res pic of it - it's nice & crisp.

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Scooooter

· #14 · May 1, 2012

You are using Conde's inserts?

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jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 1, 2012

Scooooter said:
This is one I just did. Coloring came out great. Looks blurry because I took a low res pic of it - it's nice & crisp.

How does your printed image on the sublimation paper come out? Do they come out different on paper and vivid/crisp on the aluminum sheet?

jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 1, 2012

Scooooter said:
You are using Conde's inserts?

I am using, a chinese insert. Maybe that's the problem.

Scooooter

· #17 · May 1, 2012

Yes....they are much more vivid on the metal than on the sheet. On the sheet the colors are pretty dulled down.

I wish I could help you more. Sorry you're having these issues, I know how frustrating it can be believe me!

Scooooter

· #18 · May 1, 2012

jigstafari said:
I am using, a chinese insert. Maybe that's the problem.

I bet that's your problem. Call Conde - ask for Derek Domagala if you don't have a sales rep there. Been ordering from him for years - stand up guy.

headfirst

· #19 · May 2, 2012

What is the makeup of your black? 100%CMY+0%K will appear as black on the screen but print as a muddy greyish brown.

Check your levels, eye dropper some of the black in your image and see what the makeup is.

It sounds like a prepress issue.

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jigstafari

Discussion Starter · #20 · May 2, 2012

headfirst said:
What is the makeup of your black? 100%CMY+0%K will appear as black on the screen but print as a muddy greyish brown.

Check your levels, eye dropper some of the black in your image and see what the makeup is.

It sounds like a prepress issue.

Ok I used the eye dropper tool and here is the current config on a test image.

C: 75%
M: 68%
Y: 67%
K: 90%

Should i change the black to 100%?

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