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So I'm sure I'll infuriate the masses of working graphic artists here but, alas, I'm cheap. Can't help it. It's in the genes.

Who has been able to gain the services of an artist without pay? How'd you do it? I'm trying craigslist.com currently in attempt to appeal to students wishing to build their portfolios. Obviously, you get what you pay for so my leads are lacking refinement but I'm holding out for the diamond in the rough. I'd kicked around soliciting the help of artists from Threadless just making blind potshots at them assuming since they post their work their for an off chance at winning they might be willing to gain exposure elsewhere but I'm not sure that's why they're all in it there (haven't spent too much time there to tell).

But I digress; anyone have any suggestions for finding slave labor? :D
 

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: some posts removed from the thread because the original poster clearly understands that graphic artists have to eat, but still would like helpful feedback on his question - if you would like to debate him on his question, feel free to do it "off board" :) :
 

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Do you know anyone that has drawing skills or design skills? Ask them. I asked my brother and he said he'd help. True it's family but just ask people. Also ask people if they know anyone.

Just get the word out your looking for someone.
 

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Who has been able to gain the services of an artist without pay? How'd you do it?
Understanding that this is a touchy subject for graphic designers/artists...

I think it has probably been said before here much better than I'll put it, but there's always some type of "pay" involved :)

Artists, like every other profession, will prefer the monetary ($$$) method of "payment", so they can eat and live, but there are times when artists/mechanics/restaurants/painters/webhosts/t-shirt sellers will accept another form of "payment".

You can't "expect" it of course, or ever feel like you're doing them "a favor", but it's possible that when the stars are aligned and the person has time that they might accept other methods of payment.

Always present it as an exchange, and not like you're doing them a favor by letting them design something for you, and you'll go much further.

With a friendship, the pay is a "favor between friends". You can get artwork that way by trading on your friendship if you have a friend or relative that knows how to do artwork. The exchange is that they feel like they are doing a favor for a friend/relative and you get the artwork. There may even be a loose promise of a monetary payment later on.

In a barter, the pay is a product or service that you can offer that is equal/greater/sometimes lesser value than the product service you are requesting. If you have a server, and the graphic artist needs hosting, you can offer hosting service for x number of years for a graphic design project. If you have a skill/service/product that you can offer, this is one of the best ways to get work done on a low budget. See this classifieds post for example:
http://www.t-shirtforums.com/showthread.php?t=6431

When a designer is "building up a portfolio", the payment for them is often still monetary. Sometimes they will accept "less" monetary payment when just starting out, and sometimes they will accept no monetary payment (maybe with certain copyright stipulations), but usually they will get something other than "experience" out of the exchange. Maybe it is a design that inspires them, maybe they have their own personal reasons, maybe your company already has a high profile and it will give them true exposure to have you among their client list (if you are just starting out, this is unlikely).

Sometimes you'll catch an artist who is bored, or does it as a side hobby. The "payment" for the artist in this case is a cure for their boredom.

In a non profit situation, the artist will sometimes "donate" their time in exchange for a tax writeoff, goodwill, good feeling. Sometimes the artist will still get a monetary payment, but just at a discount from their normal rates.

There are some designers/artists who create work in the spirit of an "opensource" or "public domain" license. You can see this on sites where they are offering icons for free, website templates for free, or other similar formats. Their payment comes by more name recognition/branding for their site, building of an email list, backlinks to their site, or for another related reason. Some of these works still retain copyright to their original artist.

There are some artists who don't know better or don't care. They may be young (in high school or jr high, but with great graphics skills). They may be living in a region where a smaller monetary payment goes a much longer way than where you might live, or they may take your word on "possible" exposure "down the line". Their payment might be the experience of doing another design, working for demanding clients, or hindsight experience when they learn what they've given away.

That being said, I have paid from $0-$1000+ for graphic design work.

Most of the times when it's been on the $0 end, it has been offered by the artist/designer. I don't feel comfortable approaching a designer asking for free work (I don't like accepting it either).

I think your best bet is to work out an equal barter of some type, I think that will get you the furthest.
 

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Rodney has it down. Those are pretty much your only options.

These are the only times I have designed "for free":

For the personal webpages of friends and family (non-commercial application).

For my website of my church (non-profit application).

Recently I offered to design a logo in exchange for advertising space on a website. Since I was getting something valuable in return, it wasn't really 'free'.

If you have exhausted all of other options, and you're still too 'cheap' to pay for design services, you should consider bartering. If you have a used bike, electronics, DVD's, etc. you may be able to find someone who needs those things and would be able to exchange for them. I see posts like this on craigslist all the time. Just make a big list (with as many details as possible) of all the things you have to offer and see if anyone takes the bait. You will have a much better chance of success this way, because at least they will be getting something of value in return for their hard work, even if it's not money.
 

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It all comes down to the fact there's no such thing as a free lunch. You will only get what you pay for. Ok for sure you might find people to do the work for next to nothing, that will be reflected in your garments leading to lack of sales so it's a no win situation. Why not offer the artists a commision on sales of all garments bearing their designs at least that way they will work as best they can to give you quality artwork. After all it's what you put on the T-shirts that sells them. You could run a T-shirt contest at local schools but as Jasonda says offer something in return , it may be even some free T-shirts trying to get something for nothing just doesn't work. I'm no graphic artist but I could come up with better designs than some of the crap I see around. Use your imagination .I find the term slave labor derogatory and offensive.
 

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...sometimes when we get jobs from new designers, and we like their stuff, we come up front and tell the designer.... we like your suff, can we sell it too?

when they are interested, we make the transfers and work out some type of an agreement.

I know this may sound out of this world, but it does happen. :)
 

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Tgraphics said:
Why not offer the artists a commision on sales...
I'd thought of that and was leaning that way. If the artist has that much faith in their work they might be willing to work on commission. Has anyone worked an arrangement such as this before? As the artist I'd want to know I wasn't getting hosed and only recieving a fraction of what I was entitled to. How does the vendor prove how many of their shirts actually sold without providing access to privledged information?
 

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tgraphics said:
Ok for sure you might find people to do the work for next to nothing, that will be reflected in your garments leading to lack of sales so it's a no win situation
That's not necessarily true though. With the different situations I mentioned above, you can get the same quality design work whether the payment is monetary or in another form.

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I'd thought of that and was leaning that way. If the artist has that much faith in their work they might be willing to work on commission.
From what I've read, I don't think many freelance graphic artists like the idea of working on a commission, at least not for an unestablished site. They prefer some type of "payment" so that they don't have to deal with sales details, trust issues, etc.

However, there are people who have "ideas" and "designs" that they want to "sell", but don't want to worry about opening a shop, setting up a website. They just want to create designs for t-shirts. I've gotten emails from people who want to sell me t-shirt designs/ideas and either get an upfront payment or a commission. This is a different than a "work for hire" situation though.
 

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I'd thought of that and was leaning that way. If the artist has that much faith in their work they might be willing to work on commission. Has anyone worked an arrangement such as this before? As the artist I'd want to know I wasn't getting hosed and only recieving a fraction of what I was entitled to. How does the vendor prove how many of their shirts actually sold without providing access to privledged information?
I've been asked to work on commission before, and I won't do it. Here's why:

I "have faith" in my work, but while design is a big part of why someone will buy a t-shirt, it's not the whole kit-and-kaboodle. Marketing, for one, is extremely important. If you don't do enough marketing, why should I suffer? I did my part already.

As you mentioned, it's extremely difficult to "prove" that you sold X amount of shirts. How do I know what you sold, to who, and at what price? Unless I was working with a friend or someone I absolutely trust, I wouldn't ever do this.

There are other things to consider as well. Let's say you hit it really big, and you are making lots of money. You are going to be paying me a lot on commission, probably much more than you would have paid to just "buy" the design outright. Very complicated.

There are some people who manage to make the commission system work very well. Oddica has an awesome program for artists. They pay a flat rate up front for designs, + commission. They are paying fairly for the work, so they attract a lot of really good artists who make fantastic designs. Plus, I suspect they do a great deal of marketing, which ensures that they have enough sales to keep their artists on board.
 
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