[firesurfer75]

I have a 4/1 Silver Press without micros and no matter what I do it will not register properly. When I have it registered and clamp it down it moves, and when it does register it shifts after 3 or 4 prints. I read one person's advice to put cardboard between the metal clamps, will try this, but do any of you have any advice to offer??? I already purchased this, so I'm not able to buy another press right now. Thanks for any help!

 

[ericsson2416]

When I started printing it was on a silver press and sonetimes they just dont register well. One thing I did when registering was hand tighten the screen down (using the black handkes) then put a box open on the nuts and give them another 1/2 to 3/4 to whole turn. I did this while also turning the big black handles on top so the nnut tightened with the handles. Made it super tight but seemed to help.

 

[dioscw]

Did you properly adjust the nylon bolts and the metal nut?

 

[bleeder]

I have the same problem at times. I seems like the tightening bar is moving the screen slightly after cranking down hard. I can get them snug and spin to left then right trying not to put to much force while stopping screens and it always seems to be off a bit. Spent an hour one day to set up a test print on a two color job. Perhaps we expect too much from ourselves when it comes to quality. Every time I see someone with a screen printed shirt, I look for registration discrepencies. Printers will notice the small things that non printers don't see. Sometimes we need to accept 99% perfect. After all, we have Silver Presses. I didn't spend $2600 for it, so I can't expect it to perform like a solid steel machine.
Try to tap screen with a hammer and take it easy when bringing down the screen. Tighten registation bolts. I don't know what else to say!!

 

[Hegemone]

Make sure the nuts on the posts near the aluminum bar on the screen clamps are adjusted properly so that they spin but do not protruded through the bar. Is it leaving a mark on your frames if so they are not adjusted properly and need readjusted. Over tightening screen clamps may become a problem and ruin the press. Also things to check. Is your off contact low and consistent across the platens? Are your frames or platens warped or not square to each other. Is your squeegee technique consistent, if you are putting all your weight into strokes you're doing it wrong. Don't push and pull stroke on the same print. Pick one and be consistent on the whole run. How is the tension on your screens. Try something with brand new screens and see if it helps, might be a tension issue combined with squeegee technique. Quadruple check your registration when setting it up and make sure you platen is held in place as you're longing things up. Next check that the nylon nuts on the arm supports are snug. Check your tilt and off contact nuts and are sure they are tight but not over tight. Check these on every run. Finally you can try some deck tape (self adhesive nonslip grip tape usually used on skateboards or stair treads) but I am guessing that its something your overlooking the silver is capable of holding registration well and is a solid machine. Finally call customer support. They are well known for being top notch.

Just my two cents. Toss them in a well and make a wish. I am not a company rep or trying to sell anything.

 

[sben763]

The silver press will register. The biggest thing is when setting off contact is to make sure the arm is on the stop. I have used 2 different silver press and if you have all the bolts tight the nylon adjustments so that when it's in the down position there is no wiggle in the arm.

Artwork set up is also helpful with this press adding a 1 pt stroke to over lapping colors.

Consistent printing. Especially printing white. It easy to press too hard and skew the screen. Or over flood the screen.

When tightening the screen, tighten back and forth in small increments until tight then check that it doesn't move. I can tell you the silver press is far more consistent than a new printers stroke and technique. if you get it set correctly with correctly set up artwork I have ran several 100+ plus 3 or more color jobs without issue. I'd still have my press if I ha the room.

 

[firesurfer75]

Yes I have adjusted both. I did a job yesterday and kept the nylon bolts tight throughout the job and it helped a bit.

Did you properly adjust the nylon bolts and the metal nut?

 

[firesurfer75]

I agree, wish I had the money for a heavier duty press, in time it will come! I read somewhere about putting some cardboard between the screen and the clamp, so I tried it yesterday and it did help a lot. I have 2 micros add-ons coming in the mail that I bought from someone, will see how they do. Thanks for the feedback.

I have the same problem at times. I seems like the tightening bar is moving the screen slightly after cranking down hard. I can get them snug and spin to left then right trying not to put to much force while stopping screens and it always seems to be off a bit. Spent an hour one day to set up a test print on a two color job. Perhaps we expect too much from ourselves when it comes to quality. Every time I see someone with a screen printed shirt, I look for registration discrepencies. Printers will notice the small things that non printers don't see. Sometimes we need to accept 99% perfect. After all, we have Silver Presses. I didn't spend $2600 for it, so I can't expect it to perform like a solid steel machine.
Try to tap screen with a hammer and take it easy when bringing down the screen. Tighten registation bolts. I don't know what else to say!!

 

[firesurfer75]

Did you have micros?

Interesting what you said about artwork setup. I've been able to find very little pertaining to overlap, have been wondering lately if each individual has their trick of the trade they use to edge quality. I have increased up to 3 points to register properly with my press, which is pushing the limit but did work nonetheless. Have you seen any threads about tricks of the trade pertaining to overlap and registration?

The silver press will register. The biggest thing is when setting off contact is to make sure the arm is on the stop. I have used 2 different silver press and if you have all the bolts tight the nylon adjustments so that when it's in the down position there is no wiggle in the arm.

Artwork set up is also helpful with this press adding a 1 pt stroke to over lapping colors.

Consistent printing. Especially printing white. It easy to press too hard and skew the screen. Or over flood the screen.

When tightening the screen, tighten back and forth in small increments until tight then check that it doesn't move. I can tell you the silver press is far more consistent than a new printers stroke and technique. if you get it set correctly with correctly set up artwork I have ran several 100+ plus 3 or more color jobs without issue. I'd still have my press if I ha the room.

 

[firesurfer75]

Thanks to all for the advice. Hegemone thanks for the in-depth response, I will follow your advice to the t, especially the stroke. Sben that's reassuring to know you've run a 100+ 3 colors without it falling out. Thanks again!

 

[JoshJ]

I've not had good luck with my Silver press holding registration. It seems like the bolts/nuts you use to adjust off contact and tilt don't hold very well. I'm hesitant to tighten them too much due to Ryonet saying it will void the warranty.

 

[selanac]

Couple of things: 1) You don't want to have your Off Contact too high either. It should be between 1/8" and 1/4" no higher in the back. If the back is high and the front is low, use the Tilt to adjust that.

2) The nylon bolts are called, Registration Gates or should I say are Part Of the Registration Gate. If they're tighten when the arm is down, all the rest of the Arms/colors should come down in the same spot holding registration .

3). Can't stress this enough. You don't need Micro Registration. Look at this Video: He's using a Silver press by the way; [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLqSWdl8bNg[/media]

 

[sgcustoms]

I have a 6 color 1 station silver press and had the same issues.
Here's a few tips I found helpful:

- Of course make sure the off contact is the same on all heads.

- Put 4 quarters on the back of the clamp and slide the screen in place then tighten the bolts, this is a perfect amount of space you will need for re-adjusting the registration (remove the quarters when your ready to print) I've noticed that the two 'bars' that clamp down on the screen to hold them in place have to be on the frame of the screen or it will move every time and drive you crazy! Took quite a while for me to figure this out.

- When you pre-register measure the placement from the back of the screen to the high point of the artwork not the other way around

- Pre shrink your shirts

- Do the push pull method it helps make up for any slight movement by evening it out.

The silver press seems to be far from perfect but I hope this helps.

 

[BnC Custom Ink]

I have had the same issues and have pulled my hair out trying to figure out why it was doing this.... Long story short assuming screens and art are NOT issues, the nylon registration bolts need to hold the bar snug BUT cannot be loaded when the arm is down as the sides of the bar are slightly tapered so any preload will cause the arm to lift off the stop and reg will suffer. Second is your stroke, if you are new to printing you will find that inconsistent strokes will produce very iratic results. IMO the pull stroke is more consistent than the push, however the push is easyer once you master it. Have someone with experience look at you while you print and see if you got it right. That's what I did and I have not had a problem sense.

 

[sgcustoms]

I have had the same issues and have pulled my hair out trying to figure out why it was doing this.... Long story short assuming screens and art are NOT issues, the nylon registration bolts need to hold the bar snug BUT cannot be loaded when the arm is down as the sides of the bar are slightly tapered so any preload will cause the arm to lift off the stop and reg will suffer. Second is your stroke, if you are new to printing you will find that inconsistent strokes will produce very iratic results. IMO the pull stroke is more consistent than the push, however the push is easyer once you master it. Have someone with experience look at you while you print and see if you got it right. That's what I did and I have not had a problem sense.

What cannot be loaded when the arm is down? the screens?

 

[BnC Custom Ink]

The nylon gate bolts, if they are too tight they will make the arm raise off the stop.