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I've been looking at the DTG printers for some time now. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on a MPower 10. I'm getting a fairly decent price. Approx $34K with a bunch of extras thrown in. I really don't know if I want to spend that much money on this system, or wait for the new Brother system to come out......Also what about the Sprint from Anajet? That seems almost as fast as the Mpower 10....is this correct?
Can I have some insight on the three machines (Brother, Anajet Sprint, Anajet MPower 10), for those of you that have seen/used them? Any info would be greatly appreciated!
 

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What is your business set up? Are you working from home or do you have an existing business location. 34K is WAY too much. I have a Sprint and it works great. After 1 year with the Sprint I've realized its limitations.
 

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I don't have a sprint but have done a lot of research on mpower and others and I think the sprint would be closer to the speed of the anajet mpower 5 although the m5 is still faster. The m10 is supposed to be very fast (as little as 20 seconds for a 10 by 12 print on a white shirt and like 60 to 90 on darks)
 

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Hi guys,
All three machines are fast, but the mPower machines are industrial and faster than the SPRINT.

Here are some production numbers for each model. This is based on a default setting 600 dpi for the mPower and the default setting 720 dpi for the SPRINT. Also, a graphic size of 10X12, print and load time considered...

The SPRINT can print ~38 light shirts or ~18 dark shirts an hour.
The mPower 5 can print ~60 light shirts or ~30 dark shirts per hour.
The mPower 10 can print ~110 light shirts or ~55 dark shirts per hour.

As you get into the speeds with the mPower 10, the bottle neck starts to become the operator. The shirts will print faster than the time it takes to load. For maximum production, we suggest two heat presses to keep up with the print speeds.

Hope this helps
 

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I have the mpower 5. It is an awesome stable machine. I have had it for just over a month now. I love it. Fast easy setup the rip software is very easy. Maintenance on it is simple. The print table is 14x18 so it is pretty big and can handle sizes over 5xl if print long ways. Two days after I got it I ran off 60 tan shirts took me about 5 hours. Mostly because I was still learning how to place the shirts. Triple checking every time. It handled flawlessly after around 20 shirts I did a print head clean and a nozzle check to make sure I was still good on all my colors. As for the colors there really great. Had an issue with red but after a refilling of my fill lines and an adjustment to my pretreat the reds as well as all colors popped. The machine is amazing. I never have any issue with it. As long as you do the maintenance (takes 10 mins) once a week and several print head cleans you should be good.

I did get to mess with the sprint when I went to the mpower training class. I have to say I did not like the sprint as much. Lot more maintenance issues and the rip software was over whelming. To many things to tweak with and easy to mess up settings. It is still a great printer and using the anabright inks you can print on poly blends. So I might consider buying one later.

As for the rip software for the mpower. They have the best white control I have ever seen. The shading is incredible. Half tones and shades of gray look amazing. Even though the rip is in the early stages I have had no issues with it crashing. And some of the new add ons there coming out with will push it over the top. Ink cost, better underbase color control, are just a few new features coming soon. Can't wait.

The only thing I wish I had done is bought the mpower 10. Even though my 5 is fast. Little over a min for a black shirt doing a 18x14 image on a 3xl shirt. The 10 would be way faster. You will need two heat presses just to keep up.

Also if you are going to get extras I would suggest getting all the ink and pretreat you can. I ran out of pretreat several times. They need bigger bottles like 5 gallons. Hint hint Karl.

Here is a pic. Of the white print. Keep in mind I took it with my iPhone.
 

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I think you made a good choice with the 5. From reading posts here it seems like they are getting duller colors on the 10. If it were my guess with the slightly thicker Dupont white the 5 is probably the perfect speed for the white to set up. The 10 may be a little too fast for proper white setup before the colors go down, as of right now. Of course I could be totally wrong since I have never used either machine ;) , Just a thought though.
 

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I think you made a good choice with the 5. From reading posts here it seems like they are getting duller colors on the 10. If it were my guess with the slightly thicker Dupont white the 5 is probably the perfect speed for the white to set up. The 10 may be a little too fast for proper white setup before the colors go down, as of right now. Of course I could be totally wrong since I have never used either machine ;) , Just a thought though.
No the 10 can put down some incredible white. I worked on the 10 at the training class. The reason I prob get better white then most is because I went to the free training. So I had over 8 hours to get to know the machine. My simple guess why people are not getting better white is they need to add more ink in the fill lines and change the way they pretreat. My pretreat was too light. Also most people are not using distilled water with the pretreat. Those two things are very Important.
 

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I have owned a regular screen printing shop for over 15 years now. I want to get rid of the plastisol inks and chemicals. I've been watching and waiting for these machines to get better and better. Seems like they are finally there.
I've noticed a lot of difference between the inks from the MPower to the Brother. I've been told the Brother inks are totally safe/green and meet all OSHA requirements. On the other hand I've been told that the MPower 10 uses regular Dupont ink which is not up to standards and contains lead and other harmful substances. Can anyone confirm this?
I've also been told that you can not pre treat the shirts for the Brother machine by hand, it just will not work, while the MPower 10 you can.
I would like to know your thoughts!
 

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i don't know of any dangers in using DuPont inks. if a Brother rep told you this, then it was purely a sale's tactic. DuPont has been in leader in inks for many years, and from what i've seen, DuPont's inks are much brighter than the Brother inks used on the 782. i haven't seen enough from the newest Brother printer to qualify the inks for that.

get samples of YOUR artwork printed on both machines and compare for yourself. if you bought one without knowing about the other, you'd probably be happy regardless of which one you bought.
 

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contains lead and other harmful substances. Can anyone confirm this?
I've also been told that you can not pre treat the shirts for the Brother machine by hand, it just will not work, while the MPower 10 you can.
I would like to know your thoughts!
Brother inks are OKEO tex certified, that's the only difference we are talking about.
No lead is listed. The only thing listed as a "must list" ingredient is Ethylene Glycol, an alcohol that is the main ingredient in anti-freeze that makes that product toxic. The Brother product has this chemical as well. My guess is that they are equally ECO, it's just that Brother paid the big bucks to have it certified.
 

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No the 10 can put down some incredible white. I worked on the 10 at the training class. The reason I prob get better white then most is because I went to the free training. So I had over 8 hours to get to know the machine. My simple guess why people are not getting better white is they need to add more ink in the fill lines and change the way they pretreat. My pretreat was too light. Also most people are not using distilled water with the pretreat. Those two things are very Important.

I didn't mean to imply the 10 couldn't put down enough white. I was more implying that the 10 is so fast that there might not be proper dry time between the white and color layer. I know the Ricoh heads on the new Anajets use a less viscose ink set, but the 5 might be just the right speed for the white to set up some before the color layer. Which would give you better colors on the finished product as opposed to what the 10 users are seeing... JMHO
 

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No the 10 can put down some incredible white. I worked on the 10 at the training class. The reason I prob get better white then most is because I went to the free training. So I had over 8 hours to get to know the machine. My simple guess why people are not getting better white is they need to add more ink in the fill lines and change the way they pretreat. My pretreat was too light. Also most people are not using distilled water with the pretreat. Those two things are very Important.
More ink in the full lines? Could you please explain how this effects white brightness?
 

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Hi guys,
All three machines are fast, but the mPower machines are industrial and faster than the SPRINT.

Here are some production numbers for each model. This is based on a default setting 600 dpi for the mPower and the default setting 720 dpi for the SPRINT. Also, a graphic size of 10X12, print and load time considered...

The SPRINT can print ~38 light shirts or ~18 dark shirts an hour.
The mPower 5 can print ~60 light shirts or ~30 dark shirts per hour.
The mPower 10 can print ~110 light shirts or ~55 dark shirts per hour.

As you get into the speeds with the mPower 10, the bottle neck starts to become the operator. The shirts will print faster than the time it takes to load. For maximum production, we suggest two heat presses to keep up with the print speeds.

Hope this helps
Ok Karl,
Are we to gather by your numbers here that these are really reliable numbers?? I've used your Anajet for around 4 year (love it by the way) and have never seen the numbers that you claim for the sprint. I know if I use the perfect config, i could find a graphic at 10 X 12 that may work at that speed, but It would not be on a real dark and it would most certainly not be at the "default settings" in EK.

I think that the engineering department and the vision of Chase have created a series of great machines, but the sales end of your company has make everything that comes out of your mouth suspect in the real world. Since you talk in averages for the ink usage of your machines, let us talk averages in the output of your machine and stop BSing the new people in this industry! Your machine has exceeded my expectation of what I believed in the begining. My sales person was honest when pressed for real info. There was BS there, but I could tell that the sales person had limited experience in ink jet technology, and they were using info that they were told in the best possible light. I asked a tech and got the real answer too. Even a person who builds a machine does not know what it will do in a real shop. I had to ask Anajet to lower my expectation so that I'd be happy after the sale! Does that not sound crazy to you!!! I had a lot of knowlege of the DTG industy and I saw all the **** that was going on with DTG and USPIT at the time and I knew that your machine was the answer, but most of the sales people did not have a real clue on how much they were NOT telling the truth. What Im saying Karl is let us exceed our expectations rather than base a lease and business model on a total fabrication. You Sir, are doing a dis-service to the company you work for, The person starting a new business and the Industry as a whole.

Karl, I get that you have never stood in front of a printer and printed 18 shirts in an hour. I forgive you for believing in some arbitrary number that someone told you. As homework for you, I would challenge to to call 20 customers that have bought from you and do production runs and ask them what they can print in one hour. This will allow you to give information based in reality and not a number that is all but impossible to achieve.

As sales people, I uderstand that moving product is your goal. By selling to uninformed customers you are making it hard for your tech people and for the future growth of your company if not being truthful. I see the bad mouth around the forum. Is it because you sell a bad product? I do not think so because I'm a success. Some people have that opinion becase the belive what they are told from and enthusiastic and un-informed sales person. The reason is that the sales department is not qualifying the end user and they made the reality too hard or impossible to reach. I give you the benefit of the doubt because I know that you believe. Find out the truth mr. Karl. This is a dream business. You as the front line need to make sure that the dreamer is the customer and that you wake him up to understand the real expectation and help them exceed it.

I help buyer who believe they can print athletc uniform. From the mouth of Anajet sales person " No problem" OMG. 1st day printer in hand 20K spent. Customer dumb for sure but Anajet say yes on polyester and yes on white ink. Sales person knows for sure what customer expected but shuts mouth because you figure sale is better than no sale. Sales person gets commission. Anajet gets a customer who is un happy. No Problem? Big Problem. Did sales person lie? Not technically but crime was committed anyway. Customer has lease and machine and has to change is plan on making profit.


Karl, this is not a personal attack, and a apoligize that I say your name so may times, but you may be the person who can change this culture in your company. I would not have had the passion to respond in this way if i did not believe in your product so much and I not being an expert in using your product. I hurts me when people bag talk AJ because I know the truth about the machine. I would like to make the move to Mpower but based on what you say and what I know to be the truth, those numbers for Mpower are not to be trusted and I'll have to ask real users to get the real truth.
 

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THANK YOU for that post! I have an MP5. I want to love this machine!!! I want to believe in Anajet. I bought into their lines about how great the Mpower is...and I think it does have the potential. However, their sales pitches are not in line with their products.
 

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Do you still love or did you learn to love your M5 ?
Satisfied with Production numbers and print quality ?

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Steve.

Hi Steve,

I am not sure if these questions were addressed to me but I think "love" is a little strong of a word. Haha. It's a work in progress. We received our second printer back in May after having our first send back and forth to Anajet to get worked on. We have had to replace some parts on the replacement printer and still have issues but we are at least printing for now. One of the other mpower owners I have met in this process said the other day that if he went out and bought a car for $25,000 and it kept breaking down, he wouldn't expect to have to be the one to know all the names of all the parts inside the car and be the one to fix it. I network with several mpower owners and we are all learning from each other. I'm sure one day this will be a reliable printer...just not this year. All the new owners are clearly the guinea pigs for the mpowers.

Kelli
 

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This is one of the reasons why I refuse to purchase a new model when it is first released. However I'm tempted to purchase the 381 from Brother. I understand by waiting I maybe losing to the competition but I'm protecting a 20k downside.
 
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