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Maybe someone here could give me some advice or feedback. I have more than 80 T-Shirt designs I offer on my site and for the lack of losing any sales and not wanting to sit on Inventory I screen print to order. I offer most designs on multiple styles as well like Mens and Womens Tees, Tank Tops, and Hoodies. My designs range from 1-6 colors and I use a jig system which helps immensely but it's getting harder and harder with more sales. I REALLY don't like the Idea of keeping Inventory but I very well may have to as I don't know how long I can keep this going. I have also considered DTG but quality is something I worry about. I am open to any suggestions and appreciate you taking the time. Thank you.
 

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Plastisol heat transfers maybe? I mean, you could either do them yourself since you have most of what you need already. Seems like you'd only need to invest in some transfer paper and transfer powder. Then you can just heat press them on when you rack up a sale.

Or you can get somebody else to make the transfers and then all you have to do is press 'em on.
 

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Plastisol heat transfers maybe? I mean, you could either do them yourself since you have most of what you need already. Seems like you'd only need to invest in some transfer paper and transfer powder. Then you can just heat press them on when you rack up a sale.

Or you can get somebody else to make the transfers and then all you have to do is press 'em on.
I have tried plastisol transfers in the past that had very inconsistent washing results. Not to mention to me, the feel of the prints felt very cheap.
 

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I have tried plastisol transfers in the past that had very inconsistent washing results. Not to mention to me, the feel of the prints felt very cheap.
You can't distinguish the feel of a direct screen print from a plastisol hot split transfer when made right.

6 color on-demand screen print sounds crazy! On the other hand you're not going to like the price of a 6 color transfer if you farmed it out.

Only viable option is to either learn to make them yourself or maybe go the DTG route.

If you make your own transfers, you will have the extra cost/hassle of burning all new screens.
 

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I do exactly what you do, as does PorkChopHarry. But one difference--at most we do 3 colors (only one active design for me), maybe eight 2 color designs for me, the rest are one color. The pain increases exponentially with each color!

Although that 3 color was my best seller back during the primaries, generally the single color designs sell better than multi-color, at least that has been true for me. But Horror may require torrents of green and red in addition to white ...

Are you printing waterbase inks? I am. So any sort of Plastisol, a transfer or not, probably feels like poop to you ;-)

I set my turnaround times so in theory I would never have to print more than twice a week, and sometimes can get by with just once. That increases the odds of being able to print multiples of a design ... still, one ends up printing singles much of the time. The time spent on cleanup gets old.

In his early days, PorkChopHarry tried to print ahead, but it seldom worked out. If this week you print a few extra of a design, then next week it won't sell at all, or it will sell 6 units in a size that you only printed 3 of.

I have messed around with JPSS transfers a bit in the past, and recently decided to scale that up. It is not a replacement for the typical stuff I screen print, but rather an outlet for more colorful designs, of which I could have thousands and POD myself without the chasing-my-tail dizzies of POD screen printing. But there are tradeoffs. JPSS is really only for white garments. Especially for Horror, that probably wouldn't fly. Unfortunately, as far as I have been able to determine, there is not a transfer for dark garments that lasts and has decent hand feel and is not too finicky to deal with ... also, on the laser end of the options the materials and printers are a bit $$$$.

I have a Merch By Amazon account, so have seen some of my designs done with DTG. The quality was better than I expected, but I hear it can vary from machine to machine. To invest in the setup to do that myself ... I don't know. For $220 I have an Epson and Cobra ink with which to print JPSS. If the head clogs beyond recovery, I can buy another and not cry about it. But $15,000, or so, for a good DTG ... that may or may not die of White Ink Obstruction Disease if not constantly used ... That is a lot of capital to invest in something that can become a useless brick (as opposed to something like a Vastex screen press that would cost a third as much and still have resale value after years, and years of use).

Have you tried wholesaling to shops/stores? At least then one gets to print a batch of each thing, even if making much less per item. I got all setup to do this, but have not pushed on the marketing end of it yet ... marketing type things in general not being very appealing to me ... undoubtedly my greatest failing as a "business person."
 

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I do exactly what you do, as does PorkChopHarry. But one difference--at most we do 3 colors (only one active design for me), maybe eight 2 color designs for me, the rest are one color. The pain increases exponentially with each color!

Although that 3 color was my best seller back during the primaries, generally the single color designs sell better than multi-color, at least that has been true for me. But Horror may require torrents of green and red in addition to white ...

Are you printing waterbase inks? I am. So any sort of Plastisol, a transfer or not, probably feels like poop to you ;-)

I set my turnaround times so in theory I would never have to print more than twice a week, and sometimes can get by with just once. That increases the odds of being able to print multiples of a design ... still, one ends up printing singles much of the time. The time spent on cleanup gets old.

In his early days, PorkChopHarry tried to print ahead, but it seldom worked out. If this week you print a few extra of a design, then next week it won't sell at all, or it will sell 6 units in a size that you only printed 3 of.

I have messed around with JPSS transfers a bit in the past, and recently decided to scale that up. It is not a replacement for the typical stuff I screen print, but rather an outlet for more colorful designs, of which I could have thousands and POD myself without the chasing-my-tail dizzies of POD screen printing. But there are tradeoffs. JPSS is really only for white garments. Especially for Horror, that probably wouldn't fly. Unfortunately, as far as I have been able to determine, there is not a transfer for dark garments that lasts and has decent hand feel and is not too finicky to deal with ... also, on the laser end of the options the materials and printers are a bit $$$$.

I have a Merch By Amazon account, so have seen some of my designs done with DTG. The quality was better than I expected, but I hear it can vary from machine to machine. To invest in the setup to do that myself ... I don't know. For $220 I have an Epson and Cobra ink with which to print JPSS. If the head clogs beyond recovery, I can buy another and not cry about it. But $15,000, or so, for a good DTG ... that may or may not die of White Ink Obstruction Disease if not constantly used ... That is a lot of capital to invest in something that can become a useless brick (as opposed to something like a Vastex screen press that would cost a third as much and still have resale value after years, and years of use).

Have you tried wholesaling to shops/stores? At least then one gets to print a batch of each thing, even if making much less per item. I got all setup to do this, but have not pushed on the marketing end of it yet ... marketing type things in general not being very appealing to me ... undoubtedly my greatest failing as a "business person."
Firstly, thank you for the great feedback! If I were mainly 1-3 color jobs this may be feasible but most of my designs are 4-6 colors. In the beginning when sales weren't as heavy I made it work but each month that passes my sales keep going up, which is great don't get me wrong but I can't keep operating like this.

I was looking Into the Espon F2000 and had a sample print made of one of my own designs and I have to say I was very Impressed and the washability has been really good BUT... coming from a screen printing background It's really heard for me to pull the trigger on this machine. It just may be my best option though going forward as Plastisol Transfers for the size I would need are more expensive than a DTG print If out sourced.
 

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... Plastisol Transfers for the size I would need are more expensive than a DTG print If out sourced.
Hmmm, maybe try outsourcing the slower sellers to a DTG printer, while continuing to screen print the best sellers yourself? It would be fewer one item jobs for you to print, while testing customer reaction to DTG prints as well as seeing how things go with an external supplier.

In the short term, it wouldn't really matter that you were making less per unit on the designs you outsourced, as it frees more of your time to print the best sellers, work on new designs, whatever.

Depending on how all that goes, you could keep on that way, outsource all designs to a DTG printer, buy an Epson of your own, or punt.

The real point of decision would be whether to outsource everything or go all in with your own DTG. Obviously you make less per unit with outsourcing, but you can scale with no investment of time or money, and focus on the design and marketing end of things. Also need a pre-treater ... maybe another $5k. The cost for ink per unit is much higher than screen printing. All things to factor when considering if your revenue can support the capital and operating costs of your own DTG.

Clear as mud ;)

I was originally going to build a DIY DTG, I still have the R1900 I bought for that purpose (now use it to print films). But having spent 20+ years in the computer industry, I wanted a bit more hands-on with the process, and a lot less dependence on software and chips. YMMV :p
 

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I was looking Into the Espon F2000
Don't be too hasty, there, Chum! They have released the 2100. Do a search on here as there are at least one of us who has the 2100 already and has been posting about his experience. Also, there are other brands in the same category that you might consider--as well as other more cost-effective ones since you're being a bit shy about the expenditure.
 

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Don't be too hasty, there, Chum! They have released the 2100. Do a search on here as there are at least one of us who has the 2100 already and has been posting about his experience. Also, there are other brands in the same category that you might consider--as well as other more cost-effective ones since you're being a bit shy about the expenditure.
Oh no, don't take that the wrong way. What I meant is they are just way higher production and probably use Kornit. I am all over the 2100 If I go the DTG route. I have heard and seen nothing but great things. I just have to be sure that is my absolute best play. I would hate to have customers stop purchasing because I went DTG and believe me, that could very well happen. Some people just prefer screen prints to DTG.
 

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