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Screen Blow Out, Please Help!

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Okay I am in desperate need of assistance. I am still new to screen printing, but I have already made several successful designs with no issue. I have now moved my set up to a separate location and cannot seem to get the washout process working properly. Here's how I used to operate:

- acquire new screen
- wipe screen down and degrease, let dry for 12-24 hours
- Emulsify both sides using Ryonet Dual Cure, Let dry for 24 hours
- Tape transparency to the screen as needed
- Take screen outside into a shaded area, burn image using 500 halogen lamp(supplied by Ryonet), 16" above the screen, for 13-16 minutes
- Post screen up against the wall and wash out with a garden hose or gas powered pressure washer


I have since moved the operation indoors to a plumbed dark room. I have purchased an electric pressure washer(gas seemed too heavy duty, and obviously can't use it indoors). I can't think of anything else that I've done differently. I have tried longer exposure times(one as much as 1 hour), shorter times(11-12 minutes), I have let the screens dry for 48 hours before exposure, switched to the tub hose, etc. I can't think of anything else to do. I have a huge order right now and I can't even get going on it, please help!

- The transparencies are very opaque, I even doubled them up to be sure. I have had success with less opaque transparencies .
- I spray the screen lightly first and wait a minute or so before attempting wash out
- The emulsion seems very weak. It is definitely dry, but it doesn't seem to be cured all the way or something
- The room is in the same area as the furnace, water heater, and water purifier; could that cause issue with drying?


I am ready to smash every screen and set fire to the lot, please help!!

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Have you done a step wedge test? If not do one and this should help you figure our where optimum exposure time is. Are you using a pressure washer to wash the image out? If so this could be a problem. I use a garden hose with a simple sprayer to wash my images out.
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How are you ensuring your transparencies stay flat? Have you tried a piece of non-uv coated glass on top of the screen when burning? (Assuming the screen is upside down - I've never seen one of those used.) Also, is the screen slimy when you're washing it out?
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Have you done a step wedge test? If not do one and this should help you figure our where optimum exposure time is. Are you using a pressure washer to wash the image out? If so this could be a problem. I use a garden hose with a simple sprayer to wash my images out.
I have not done a step wedge test, I am unaware of what that is. Can you elaborate?

I have tried using a pressure washer (up close, far away, and even with the power of and just using the "built up pressure in the line"), as well as a simple garden hose sprayer, neither seem to make a difference.

Also, yes the screens seem slimier than normal when washing out. What does that mean?
How are you ensuring your transparencies stay flat? Have you tried a piece of non-uv coated glass on top of the screen when burning? (Assuming the screen is upside down - I've never seen one of those used.) Also, is the screen slimy when you're washing it out?
The transparencies art definitely flat. I have a 1/2'" piece of Plexiglass that I lay on top and clamp down on all the corners with C-Clamps. Yes, the screen seems slimy when washing out.
Most plexiglass blocks UV, which would mean your screens are underexposed. Which would also explain the slime.
#1 if your glass is still on the lamp remove it , it has a tint to it.
#2 placing glass ontop of your screen make sure its clear , no tint (its called starfire very pricey) But completely clear . Not like std glass.
#3 how old is your emulsion. Diazo emulsion is only good for 60-90 days before it goes bad.

I used a very similar setup and burned mine for 12 minutes on that setup . right now your going threw 2 pains of glass that block UV light.
Doing a step wedge test will tell you how long you will have to expose to get good results.
Looks to me like your not exposing long enough, does the emulsion feel slimey if it does your under exposed. sben is great at solving these problems , hope he pipes in .

Really sounds like a combination of the glass in the lamp and the plexi glass causing the problems.
Most plexiglass blocks UV, which would mean your screens are underexposed. Which would also explain the slime.

Hmmm. So I should increase exposure time?
I would find a piece of non-uv blocking glass and try that. I got some from my local glass supply and it wasn't that expensive.
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I would find a piece of non-uv blocking glass and try that. I got some from my local glass supply and it wasn't that expensive.
Okay, I just picked up a piece of glass from Lowes and tried it again. 13 minutes under the 500 watt halogen. Still no success. This screen seems to not want to wash out at all. The artwork area is very difficult to clear and once it starts to clear, it just blows out the whole area. Should I reduce exposure time?

I sprayed lightly with water first(both sides) and the artwork showed up great, but I'm still having issues.
Are you sure that glass is not UV coated? I'd bet it is.
Yes, the screen seems slimy when washing out.

Your screens may not be completely dry is your film sticking to your screen after exposure ?
Google step wedge test you may be able to find a free one for download take your time and expose a few screens and write down the data this will help you get a grip on what is going on
Okay, I just picked up a piece of glass from Lowes and tried it again. 13 minutes under the 500 watt halogen. Still no success. This screen seems to not want to wash out at all. The artwork area is very difficult to clear and once it starts to clear, it just blows out the whole area. Should I reduce exposure time?

I sprayed lightly with water first(both sides) and the artwork showed up great, but I'm still having issues.
I highly doubt that lowes carries the correct glass, but with that being said if your emulsion is washing out hard you are most likely over exposed. drop down to 10 minutes and see what happens . If you do step wedge test it will tell you which way to go .

With the correct glass and emulsion you could get down around 4 minutes but you need to be relatively close first .
If its taking too long to start to wash out and then blows out your exposing too long , if it washes out but it slimey you need more time.
Did you remove the glass from the lamp? how old is your emulsion and what brand.
I started with a glass that was suppose to be clear , ended up getting a different peice that was completely clear , starlight or starfire, low iron. you can really see the difference .I bought mine from a glass co , and they had samples to see. big difference in them. Makes all the difference in the end.
you could also set out a image when exposing to get an idea of how long it will take to wash out correctly.
cover you image except for a small area, expose for 7 min , move cover back some and continue to expose for another min, ect. so when you done end at 10 minutes. wash out and see what worked best.
also look up set wedge test on youtube , or google.
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I highly doubt that lowes carries the correct glass, but with that being said if your emulsion is washing out hard you are most likely over exposed. drop down to 10 minutes and see what happens . If you do step wedge test it will tell you which way to go .

With the correct glass and emulsion you could get down around 4 minutes but you need to be relatively close first .
If its taking too long to start to wash out and then blows out your exposing too long , if it washes out but it slimey you need more time.
Did you remove the glass from the lamp? how old is your emulsion and what brand.
I started with a glass that was suppose to be clear , ended up getting a different peice that was completely clear , starlight or starfire, low iron. you can really see the difference .I bought mine from a glass co , and they had samples to see. big difference in them. Makes all the difference in the end.
you could also set out a image when exposing to get an idea of how long it will take to wash out correctly.
cover you image except for a small area, expose for 7 min , move cover back some and continue to expose for another min, ect. so when you done end at 10 minutes. wash out and see what worked best.
also look up set wedge test on youtube , or google.
Ok I attempted 10 minutes and it still took a while to start washing out, and when it started to wash out the whole screen begin blowing out again. I am wondering if my "dark room" isn't secure enough from UV rays. If these screens were partially exposed due to UV rays sneeking in, would this cause my symptoms? That's the only thing left that makes sense to me because I have tried every exposure time from 10 to 25 minutes and even upwards of an hour!

- I used heavy duty black garbage bags to cover the window(doubled up and stapled to the wall)
- I sealed the door frame with extra insulation strips to stop light from getting in
- I replaces the light with a yellow bug light

When I am in the room with the lights off it is completely black, so I don't see how this could be an issue? Maybe when I open the door to get in and out? Is that enough light sneaking in to cause problems?
Ok, what if you tried one with only clear tape holding the transparency. That way you could eliminate the glass. Chances are, it wouldn't be perfect, but you'd be able to eliminate the glass as a factor.
Glass can be a big issue, I use the same setup with a 500watt helogen work light with the glsss out of it abd I made sure I got custom glas made that was just plain glass. If I use the ulano orange it takes 5mins but if I use a duel cure diszo emulsion it takes 25mins. As everyone else said try a step wedge test and you should be okay because it gets extremely frustrating when you are wasting so much emulsion :( only other thing is your emuslion can be out of date, the stuff you use to clean your screen should not be an issue as you can use normal dish washing liquid. Only other option is your transparencies are not dark enough and its letting a little light ti the areas you don't want exposed... it will take time to conduct a process of elimination but luckily with screen printing the list normally is not that big and is an easy fix once you find the problem :)

I hope you find the problem and there are plenty of people on here who will help you :)

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Ok, what if you tried one with only clear tape holding the transparency. That way you could eliminate the glass. Chances are, it wouldn't be perfect, but you'd be able to eliminate the glass as a factor.
I have used the glass before with no issues(when I had everything outside), so I don't think the glass is the issue. I am trying on with a single transparency at 15 minutes, we'll see how this goes.
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Ok, what if you tried one with only clear tape holding the transparency. That way you could eliminate the glass. Chances are, it wouldn't be perfect, but you'd be able to eliminate the glass as a factor.
Ok I tried removing the glass for sake of trying, and the transparencies began lifting off of the screen. So I put the glass back on, removed one transparency, and burned for 15 minutes. See attached for the results.

This one got me very excited because the top art came out fine, but the bottom just turned to mush. Longer exposure?

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Ok I tried removing the glass for sake of trying, and the transparencies began lifting off of the screen. So I put the glass back on, removed one transparency, and burned for 15 minutes. See attached for the results.

This one got me very excited because the top art came out fine, but the bottom just turned to mush. Longer exposure?
I am thinking you emulsion is bad out of date , if you burned that for 15 min part of the time with out the glass it should not due that.

your transparency started to lift because its getting hot.
Did you remove the glass from the lamp? that glass has UV blocker in it .
HOW OLD IS YOUR EMULSION? how long ago did you mix it with diazo ?
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