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I'm currently buying a gently used OKi 711wt. It is coming with several hundred dollars worth of Magictouch transfers which I know nothing about. I am looking at Forever Transfer RIP software, but after further research the icolor transferRIP can also be used with the OKI. Making it a one pass print job with A and B no weed transfer sheets, if I understand correctly. I ran across cadlink software. I can't figure out if it remaps the K and the W toner. Then I have recently run across a few ideas of doing white toner on one sheet and sublimation on another. So I would need a separate sublimation printer? Any thoughts or wisdom from a pro? Thanks in advance!
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Spokanemom5 said:
I'm currently buying a gently used OKi 711wt. It is coming with several hundred dollars worth of Magictouch transfers which I know nothing about. I am looking at Forever Transfer RIP software, but after further research the icolor transferRIP can also be used with the OKI. Making it a one pass print job with A and B no weed transfer sheets, if I understand correctly. I ran across cadlink software. I can't figure out if it remaps the K and the W toner. Then I have recently run across a few ideas of doing white toner on one sheet and sublimation on another. So I would need a separate sublimation printer? Any thoughts or wisdom from a pro? Thanks in advance!
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According to one of the members who tried CADlink it does not remap the K and W channels. Unlike Oki CMYW printer it does not even print white underbase.

You do not need a Rip OFF software:D:D. Seriously you don't need Rip software if you are planning on using White Laser toner, Sublimation inkjet ink and Laser transfer for Dark. You need inkjet sublimation printer. You cannot use Forever laser transfer for dark because the B sheet is not printable with inkjet ink. Use ImageClip laser dark. Not sure if any of The Magic Touch transfers are printable with inkjet ink.

BTW you don't need expensive CMYW printer like C711WT. Use a CMYK printer then buy White Toner refill or White toner conversion Kit from EBAY White toner for OKI printer. But since you mentioned C711WT I added the white toner printing instruction for the printer in step H.

You need Photoshop
1) Remove all the unwanted white background of the original file using Magic Eraser.
2) Duplicate the file. Modify it to black silhouette to print white silhouette.
----- a) Select Magic Wand tool
----- b) Uncheck Contiguous from property bar of Magic Wand
----- c) Click any area of the transparent background. All transparent background will be selected.
----- d) Click Select>Inverse
----- e) Click Edit>Fill
----- f) Click 100% Black. Click OK.
------g) Click Image Rotation>Flip Canvas Horizontal
------h) Feed the A sheet in Multipurpose tray of the laser printer and follow page 1 of this pdf file C711WT_white_printing_instructions.pdf.
Note: Do not use page 2.

3) Feed the B sheet in sublimation printer tray.
4) Select the original file
5) Send it to the printer.
6) Wait for ink to dry.
7) Use light table.
8) Place B sheet over A with the images facing each other.
9) Align the two images. Secure the sheets with tape.
10) Lay the sheets in the bottom platen of the heat press with the A sheet in the bottom
11) Follow the heat transfer settings and instruction for marrying the sheets.
12) Press the weeded A sheet on the shirt.
13) Peel cold.

The image below was pressed with white toner and sublimation ink process on black 100% cotton shirt.
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Luis, Your instructions were well done. Thank you for that.
I heard today that the c831n is back in stock by Oki.
That is good news.
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Lnfortun said:
According to one of the members who tried CADlink it does not remap the K and W channels. Unlike Oki CMYW printer it does not even print white underbase.

You do not need a Rip OFF software:D:D. Seriously you don't need Rip software if you are planning on using White Laser toner, Sublimation inkjet ink and Laser transfer for Dark. You need inkjet sublimation printer. You cannot use Forever laser transfer for dark because the B sheet is not printable with inkjet ink. Use ImageClip laser dark. Not sure if any of The Magic Touch transfers are printable with inkjet ink.

BTW you don't need expensive CMYW printer like C711WT. Use a CMYK printer then buy White Toner refill or White toner conversion Kit from EBAY White toner for OKI printer. But since you mentioned C711WT I added the white toner printing instruction for the printer in step H.

You need Photoshop
1) Remove all the unwanted white background of the original file using Magic Eraser.
2) Duplicate the file. Modify it to black silhouette to print white silhouette.
----- a) Select Magic Wand tool
----- b) Uncheck Contiguous from property bar of Magic Wand
----- c) Click any area of the transparent background. All transparent background will be selected.
----- d) Click Select>Inverse
----- e) Click Edit>Fill
----- f) Click 100% Black. Click OK.
------g) Click Image Rotation>Flip Canvas Horizontal
------h) Feed the A sheet in Multipurpose tray of the laser printer and follow page 1 of this pdf file C711WT_white_printing_instructions.pdf.
Note: Do not use page 2.

3) Feed the B sheet in sublimation printer tray.
4) Select the original file
5) Send it to the printer.
6) Wait for ink to dry.
7) Use light table.
8) Place B sheet over A with the images facing each other.
9) Align the two images. Secure the sheets with tape.
10) Lay the sheets in the bottom platen of the heat press with the A sheet in the bottom
11) Follow the heat transfer settings and instruction for marrying the sheets.
12) Press the weeded A sheet on the shirt.
13) Peel cold.

The image below was pressed with white toner and sublimation ink process on black 100% cotton shirt.
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Thank you so much for the wonderful info. I'm getting the printer at a steal otherwise I might go the other route! I'll look into sublimation. I know I can get kits to convert regular inkjet to sub.
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Please let us know how well the results of the printer you are purchasing. Especially the cracking issues.
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@Lnfortun Just checking, since you mention mirroring the image in step 2G, wouldn't you also need to mirror the image between steps 4 and 5?

Or no because the one side is already mirrored?
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The one side is already mirrored.
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@Lnfortun Just checking, since you mention mirroring the image in step 2G, wouldn't you also need to mirror the image between steps 4 and 5?

Or no because the one side is already mirrored?
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No. The only image needs mirroring is the white mask. The Color image nust be normal facing. Otherwise the images will be opposite to each other when you align the two the images with the printed sides facing each other.

BTW the printing PDF file procedure was published by Okidata. I am not sure why it has to go through several steps to print white and the image has to be black. When in fact the printer should just be able to print white straight out of a white image since it is a CMYW printer.

The white printing process Al and I use is for CMYK printer requires black silhouette. I messed up. I did not include the procedure to print white using CMYK printer with alternative K toner/drum set filled with white toner. I will be adding it shortly and should be available sometime today.
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Here is the PDF file as promised. It is pictorial step by step from creating the images, printing and marrying the sheets. The printing procedure is intended for CMYK printer with K toner/drum white toner conversion and inkjet printer.

The file is not printable. Permission is available upon request.

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Lnfortun said:
According to one of the members who tried CADlink it does not remap the K and W channels. Unlike Oki CMYW printer it does not even print white underbase.

You do not need a Rip OFF software:D:D. Seriously you don't need Rip software if you are planning on using White Laser toner, Sublimation inkjet ink and Laser transfer for Dark. You need inkjet sublimation printer. You cannot use Forever laser transfer for dark because the B sheet is not printable with inkjet ink. Use ImageClip laser dark. Not sure if any of The Magic Touch transfers are printable with inkjet ink.

BTW you don't need expensive CMYW printer like C711WT. Use a CMYK printer then buy White Toner refill or White toner conversion Kit from EBAY White toner for OKI printer. But since you mentioned C711WT I added the white toner printing instruction for the printer in step H.

You need Photoshop
1) Remove all the unwanted white background of the original file using Magic Eraser.
2) Duplicate the file. Modify it to black silhouette to print white silhouette.
----- a) Select Magic Wand tool
----- b) Uncheck Contiguous from property bar of Magic Wand
----- c) Click any area of the transparent background. All transparent background will be selected.
----- d) Click Select>Inverse
----- e) Click Edit>Fill
----- f) Click 100% Black. Click OK.
------g) Click Image Rotation>Flip Canvas Horizontal
------h) Feed the A sheet in Multipurpose tray of the laser printer and follow page 1 of this pdf file C711WT_white_printing_instructions.pdf.
Note: Do not use page 2.

3) Feed the B sheet in sublimation printer tray.
4) Select the original file
5) Send it to the printer.
6) Wait for ink to dry.
7) Use light table.
8) Place B sheet over A with the images facing each other.
9) Align the two images. Secure the sheets with tape.
10) Lay the sheets in the bottom platen of the heat press with the A sheet in the bottom
11) Follow the heat transfer settings and instruction for marrying the sheets.
12) Press the weeded A sheet on the shirt.
13) Peel cold.

The image below was pressed with white toner and sublimation ink process on black 100% cotton shirt.
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Hi Luis,

You post this image in a lot of forum messages over a long period of time. It has the message about the bad alignment. Why haven't you replaced it with one that has correct alignment?
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LucidDavid said:
Hi Luis,

You post this image in a lot of forum messages over a long period of time. It has the message about the bad alignment. Why haven't you replaced it with one that has correct alignment?
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I just want anybody to know what can be expected and the process is not flawless. I could have manipulated it easily and misled others. But that would be immoral right?

BTW not to change the subject. Do you recommend Ghost white printer since your company owns one and I would imagine you had put it to extensive test. Please post your unbiased opinion.
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LucidDavid said:
Hi Luis,

You post this image in a lot of forum messages over a long period of time. It has the message about the bad alignment. Why haven't you replaced it with one that has correct alignment?
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OK just to please you. The attached photo was done with Inkjet dye on Imageclip Laser Dark B sheet and translucent toner on A sheet. The sheets were married and the A sheet was pressed on the dark fabric. To be honest I did not use a good shirt because I did not know how it was going to turn out. You will probably say the photo is inappropriate because I used dye and not sublimation ink when the previous photo was about sublimation ink. There were white around the edges because I did not trim the transfer before I pressed on the shirt. The image eventually faded because the ink was dye and not pigment or sublimation ink. Misleading information is not in my book.



BTW that came from my original thread http://www.t-shirtforums.com/heat-press-heat-transfers/t450257.html. I am proud of the thread which I consider my baby of the birth of the concept of Laser white toner, Laser transfer for dark and inkjet ink transfer process.


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Lnfortun said:
According to one of the members who tried CADlink it does not remap the K and W channels. Unlike Oki CMYW printer it does not even print white underbase.

You do not need a Rip OFF software:D:D. Seriously you don't need Rip software if you are planning on using White Laser toner, Sublimation inkjet ink and Laser transfer for Dark. You need inkjet sublimation printer. You cannot use Forever laser transfer for dark because the B sheet is not printable with inkjet ink. Use ImageClip laser dark. Not sure if any of The Magic Touch transfers are printable with inkjet ink.

BTW you don't need expensive CMYW printer like C711WT. Use a CMYK printer then buy White Toner refill or White toner conversion Kit from EBAY White toner for OKI printer. But since you mentioned C711WT I added the white toner printing instruction for the printer in step H.

You need Photoshop
1) Remove all the unwanted white background of the original file using Magic Eraser.
2) Duplicate the file. Modify it to black silhouette to print white silhouette.
----- a) Select Magic Wand tool
----- b) Uncheck Contiguous from property bar of Magic Wand
----- c) Click any area of the transparent background. All transparent background will be selected.
----- d) Click Select>Inverse
----- e) Click Edit>Fill
----- f) Click 100% Black. Click OK.
------g) Click Image Rotation>Flip Canvas Horizontal
------h) Feed the A sheet in Multipurpose tray of the laser printer and follow page 1 of this pdf file C711WT_white_printing_instructions.pdf.
Note: Do not use page 2.

3) Feed the B sheet in sublimation printer tray.
4) Select the original file
5) Send it to the printer.
6) Wait for ink to dry.
7) Use light table.
8) Place B sheet over A with the images facing each other.
9) Align the two images. Secure the sheets with tape.
10) Lay the sheets in the bottom platen of the heat press with the A sheet in the bottom
11) Follow the heat transfer settings and instruction for marrying the sheets.
12) Press the weeded A sheet on the shirt.
13) Peel cold.

The image below was pressed with white toner and sublimation ink process on black 100% cotton shirt.
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thanks a lot! why i cant print on the Forever Dark no cut B-Paper? you can print on it, but the problem we have is low color on shirt. the colors looks like pastel colors, not strongly. you pressed all steps like the heat transfer settings, i'm too. do you have an idea why the color is not good?
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Hi , I m a rookie in this biz , very sorry if I my question is too lame .
We want to convert an OKI C332 for white toner but don t like the method Luis wrote due to misalignments and lack of rasterization , do you think that FOREVERs RIP SW let us to work with a white toner refilled K cartridge ?Or any other suggestion for SW?
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Try with CADlink's RIP for OKI to see how it does.
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I was looking at what Oki tells you to do to print and it seems like they say to use Illustrator in order to print underprints and spot white.



I don't know any specifics about it, but what is generally wrong with just using the Oki without a RIP (aside from the dots patterns in Forever, etc.)
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I don't know any specifics about it, but what is generally wrong with just using the Oki without a RIP (aside from the dots patterns in Forever, etc.)
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Without the RIP, you are printing solid blobs of plastic resin. When you wash/dry it, it WILL crack. The RIP allows you to break up those solid blobs by adding dots or lines to effectively lighten and break up the solid pieces.

Can you do the same thing with other programs? Yes.. the RIP that OKI/Forever/Uninet/etc sell is pretty much specifically geared towards this printers and it also means you don't need another program like Illustrator/Corel/Photoshop simply to rasterize the images.
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There a cheap version white toner printer on ebay, it's OKI C831WT model about USD $2500
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The s831WT is only a 3 color printer.
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sublial said:
The s831WT is only a 3 color printer.
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c831wt is same to Pro8432wt. It prints full colour plus white color as same time.
The black color is produced by mixing CMY toner, same as Pro8432wt
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