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I have been doing some research in to plastic gift card type cards, and i THOUGHT that it required a special printer, but i keep reading that even those printers use Dye Sub to get picture on the cards..

So I was wondering, since i will have a full dye sub set up, CAN I do those plastic cards with a heat press and a printer? I mean, they sell PVC cards, which means that it has a high melting point.. So has anyone done those types of cards with a press instead of a printer?
 

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that would be AWESOME!!!

I have been getting conflicting reponses from people over the phone, and i THINK its because they want me to hire them to print them for me.. So it seems a little skewed.. but if you can just keep note of the temp and times that you do them at, i would be VERY VERY greatful.. I dont have my equipment yet, if i did, i would get getting samples and pressing away!
 

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From what I recalled, a thermal printer was what was most commonly used. I usually paid a nickel a piece for the ones for our hotel chain, but that was in bulk (500 min) and with no customization.

Got some designs printed and going to try a few soon as heat press is up to par, going to try 400 degrees at 65 seconds first, which is what I press most sub items at.
 

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I print on luggage tags, you know, the really thick, swipe card looking things. Aren't those plastic too? I have warped some, oops. But it works. I'd post photos but they are off centered and funny looking. Still working on perfecting it! :) But yea, I've done it. so I think it works.
 

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First result: Card was "sublimated" to backing paper, unsure of how the print came out at this moment Pressure was heavy. :( Will try less time, but not looking hopeful.

Update: After cleaning it up a bit, it did sublimate, however isn't really usable due to the plastic melting to both sides of the paper.

Second result: Time reduced to 33 seconds, pressure set to medium/heavy. Lot less paper buildup, however the card still melted a bit and warped worse than the first attempt. This was an actual card with a magstripe, and the top and bottom layers actually separated a bit.

I've got one more test print left to go, however I would not sell these cards to a customer. These are the same cards that are used in hotels for door locks, and a lot of casinos and such use them as employee id tags, really really thin plastic.

Third result: Heat reduced to 370, 33 seconds, pressure same. The backing paper pulled right off, however the card was still really malleable, I tried to straighten it out and cool it off in my hand by blowing on it. It came out a little bit warped. The front paper came off easier, however I still had to drench it in water for a little while and scrape it off. Since I'm scraping the actual card and the print isn't relieving, I would say it is in fact sublimated. However, there's also a slight odor given off, which may be a potential health hazard.

Here's some photos of the results, but I'd say stick to a product designed for sublimation (030 poly coated aluminum or fiberglass reinforced plastics/FRP), plastic this thin wasn't meant for the heat and duration.

Photo 1: First attempt with minor cleanup, photo's a little bit out of focus, but it's also distorted from the layer of paper on top.
Photo 2: First attempt with a better cleanup
Photo 3: Third attempt with cleanup about equivalent to photo 2.
 

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I have been doing some research in to plastic gift card type cards, and i THOUGHT that it required a special printer, but i keep reading that even those printers use Dye Sub to get picture on the cards..

So I was wondering, since i will have a full dye sub set up, CAN I do those plastic cards with a heat press and a printer? I mean, they sell PVC cards, which means that it has a high melting point.. So has anyone done those types of cards with a press instead of a printer?
I have never printed on anything of this nature with dye sub, but it would seem to me the heat would be an issue wouldn't it? I would think it would melt or warp it. I'm not saying it would, I'm just asking more than anything!
 

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Jerid.. The way that the PRINTERS that they sell that are MADE to print on those are thermal printers and they DO use heat to print on them.. iw as wondering if it was possible to use the heat from a press instead of the thermal printers to get the ink to subliminate.

On the other hand, it couldbe the type of card that you are using.. they have 12mil all the way to 35 mil cards.. i would think the thicker the better.
 

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The frp type plastics used in sublimation have different properties to general plastics. It is inevitable if you drop what is in effect, a large heavy 'hotplate' onto plastic it will deform. I have tried printing on a few different types of other plastics, but the results just aren't commercially viable.

I have seen plastic coated cards in sheet form, designed to go through regular inkjet printers. I am guessing that there would not be much thickness to these items though??
 

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The last one.. are those specks imperfections or part of the design? I cant tell. Or is that paper still stuck to it?

On another note.. I know that there are plastics MADE for sublimation, so does anyone make a card that is sublimation ready?
That's paper stuck to it, I took that photo right after rinsing it off. After it cooled down for a few it became quite faded. I'm sure there's some kind of lovely acid I could dunk it in to clean it up nicely, but I primarily just used rubbing alcohol and water to try to clean it up.

Conde, Coastal, and Johnson Plastics all seem to offer a 2"x3" FRP badge, but it may be one sided only. Johnson Plastics can also custom cut sublimatable aluminum and FRP I believe. Here's some links:
UNISUB Name Badges for Sublimation Imprinting - DyeTrans.com
Sublimation Supplies - Sublimation Blanks - Name Badges and Bag Tags
 

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JOES, that is PERFECT.. they dont have to be front and back printed.. those sound like they would work just perfectly.

WHY wouldnt they make those and call them MEMBERSHIP CARDS? its funny, but it seems if you know the right words so search for, you can find anything
 
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