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Can I please get some help solving this issue? :confused::confused:

I got a message from a customer saying that the ink was peeling. This image was the 1st wash. I believe it would have been printed on White Level 2 - 100% density and level 2 color.
I am using epson pretreat and I think this shirt may have been diluted 1:3 (what I use for white shirts) - I am now using 1:1 like I do on black shirts.

I'm getting so frustrated with this machine. I have had it for a year and it seems like I get a lot of washability issues. This printer is supposed to be super high quality. That is what made me choose it.

I keep seeing that people cure their darks for 90 seconds.. this seems insane to me. I have to do like 270 seconds at 345 degrees. Anything less than that and the ink will literally wipe off on my finger. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong over here. I could use so much help.

Melissa

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I forgot to mention that this was on a Rabbit Skins Premium Fine Jersey Shirt. 100% combed ringspun cotton.
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BluMagnoliaCo said:
Can I please get some help solving this issue? :confused::confused:

I got a message from a customer saying that the ink was peeling. This image was the 1st wash. I believe it would have been printed on White Level 2 - 100% density and level 2 color.
I am using epson pretreat and I think this shirt may have been diluted 1:3 (what I use for white shirts) - I am now using 1:1 like I do on black shirts.

I'm getting so frustrated with this machine. I have had it for a year and it seems like I get a lot of washability issues. This printer is supposed to be super high quality. That is what made me choose it.

I keep seeing that people cure their darks for 90 seconds.. this seems insane to me. I have to do like 270 seconds at 345 degrees. Anything less than that and the ink will literally wipe off on my finger. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong over here. I could use so much help.

Melissa
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Welcome to the world of DTG, some want to portrait as "easy". It is obviously not so easy.

The printer is obviously doing its job well, but curing the ink and the pre-treatment is up to you. The printer cannot do this for you.
Anyway, 270 seconds at 345 degrees is way too long in my opinion. It could simply be your heat press, so make sure that the temperature of the heat plate is actually correct and even across the surface.
The other important thing to know, is that some t-shirts simply don't print well. Results can vary, even if you are using the same brand and model. Different color shirts use different thread, with different chemicals (sizing agents etc), which can affect the print durability. Even different factories, producing the same shirt, sometimes use different materials, and that can also cause problems. Basically, you can never be too sure.



Bottom line is, there is no one-size-fits-all solution to this problem. You just have to test-test-test, price it in your business model, and have a quick refund/replace policy with your customers.
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TABOB said:
Welcome to the world of DTG, some want to portrait as "easy". It is obviously not so easy.

The printer is obviously doing its job well, but curing the ink and the pre-treatment is up to you. The printer cannot do this for you.
Anyway, 270 seconds at 345 degrees is way too long in my opinion. It could simply be your heat press, so make sure that the temperature of the heat plate is actually correct and even across the surface.
The other important thing to know, is that some t-shirts simply don't print well. Results can vary, even if you are using the same brand and model. Different color shirts use different thread, with different chemicals (sizing agents etc), which can affect the print durability. Even different factories, producing the same shirt, sometimes use different materials, and that can also cause problems. Basically, you can never be too sure.


Bottom line is, there is no one-size-fits-all solution to this problem. You just have to test-test-test, price it in your business model, and have a quick refund/replace policy with your customers.
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Thanks, I was just wondering if anyone knew what specifically would cause this shirt or pretreat etc.
I think my head press is definitely a problem. I am saving up to buy a new one. I just bought a pretreat machine but it isn't here yet.

Honestly, I'm wondering if my current supplier (S&S Activewear isn't mixing up the Rabbit skins toddler fine jersey shirt with the rabbit skins toddler jersey shirt. The "fine jersey" is what I need and I have been getting a lot of thicker more "regular cotton" feeling shirts. I was thinking that maybe it's just because they are made in different countries (some in Honduras, India, etc etc) but now that I'm thinking of it... I think they are just sending me Jersey shirts sometimes. Whatever the issue is, some of the shirts require double the pretreat and a lot more white ink. I think those may be the ones that are having this issue.

I'm going to order from a different supplier and see if there is a difference.
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Thanks, I was just wondering if anyone knew what specifically would cause this shirt or pretreat etc.
I think my head press is definitely a problem. I am saving up to buy a new one. I just bought a pretreat machine but it isn't here yet.

Honestly, I'm wondering if my current supplier (S&S Activewear isn't mixing up the Rabbit skins toddler fine jersey shirt with the rabbit skins toddler jersey shirt. The "fine jersey" is what I need and I have been getting a lot of thicker more "regular cotton" feeling shirts. I was thinking that maybe it's just because they are made in different countries (some in Honduras, India, etc etc) but now that I'm thinking of it... I think they are just sending me Jersey shirts sometimes. Whatever the issue is, some of the shirts require double the pretreat and a lot more white ink. I think those may be the ones that are having this issue.

I'm going to order from a different supplier and see if there is a difference.
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Some cheap heat presses are useless. It's easy to check, and I've already explained how.

Obviously you've been applying the pretreatment manually, and this is another problem. Too much pretreatment can cause flaking. Now, how much is the correct amount is also difficult to specify, as it does vary, depending on the type and thickness of the fabric. You just have to do your own testing, and write it down for the next time.



Be prepared to encounter a lot more issues, because you will. It is just something all DTG printers have to deal with.
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