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Plastisol ink washing off

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I done a job and used black plastisol ink I used international coating ink. I gave shirts to costumer and after first wash the image started peeling off I use a conveyer dryer to dry them so I no they cured good enough. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions
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Either:

a) you didn't dry them enough, or

b) the customer exposed the shirts to something that is causing the plastisol to peel (like dry cleaning chemicals).
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They should of dried good enough my dryer is a big one they dry at 800 degrees
Also I just talked to the customer he said he washed them in warm water the first time will that make a big difference
It's the time in the dryer at curing temp that does the job.
Without a temp gun to laser the ink under the end of the panels, there is no guessing if it hit the needed cure temp.
Lowes and home depot have em for 50 bucks (not the best, but will do), so I would repeat the process as a test and see what happens when you wash them, if the ink is cured.

Of course, you may have had the wrong ink for the fabric you were printing on, or there could have been a strange chem left on the shirts, but generally it's a curing problem.

Testing is the only way to isolate the issue.

Of course, a re-print of the job is coming, so testing pronto is imperitive.
Thanks for the info I printed another shirt the exact same way same temp same speed in dryer and u couldn't pull the ink off so I don't know what happened the first time
Thanks for the info I printed another shirt the exact same way same temp same speed in dryer and u couldn't pull the ink off so I don't know what happened the first time
800 degrees is way too hot...the ink got baked and became crispy the first washe..plastisol ink is properly cured when it maintains a temp above 320 for at least 6 seconds but not longer than 15 to 20 seconds and should not exceed about 400 degrees at any point...in other words cure ink at a temp between 320 and 400 for 6 to 12 seconds. anything less or more with temp or time cured will cause ink to not adhere properly to fabric when washed. good luck
Ok I bought a heat laser and ran a shirt thru my dryer as the shirt is coming out it reads 240 but I had one test strip left and it read that it reached the 330 but what I was told was aim that laser at shirt when it's coming out of the dryer but that only read 240 any suggestions
Ok I bought a heat laser and ran a shirt thru my dryer as the shirt is coming out it reads 240 but I had one test strip left and it read that it reached the 330 but what I was told was aim that laser at shirt when it's coming out of the dryer but that only read 240 any suggestions
Why do you think your drier is drying at 800 degrees when your test strips are showing 330 and your temp gun shows 240? Think about it logically and methodically - something is not right there.

800 would bake the fcuk out of the ink, (as mentioned already)


All my temp test strips have been totally unreliable - maybe I got a bad batch, but the consistency was absolute trash. I mean T R A S H! I used up a whole batch of strips and never once got results that correlated with the quality of the cured ink, when cross referenced with heat gun data. Maybe I was supplied with old strips - I don't know.

I ended up using a laser guided infra-red heatgun (super cheap and sounds amazing to customers) ;) As the shirt is coming out the drier, angle the gun so that it targets the ink whilst the shirt is still inside the drier, just as the shirt is approaching the exit. Also time how long it takes for the shirt to go through, remembering that it takes time for the ink to warm up to the exit temperature. I had to slow down the speed of the conveyor belt on my drier considerably - actually to the point where it now almost takes me as much time to load and print a shirt (1 stroke, no flash), as it does for one to go through the drier - very convenient!

If you are only reading 240 on a temp gun, then I would look at slowing down the conveyor, (for me it kinda feels painfully slow when I look at it, but when I am working and start to load a few of them in, it spits them out at a comfortable rate), or alternatively raise the temp settings on the drier.

Afterwards perform 2 quality tests:

~#1 Stretch test. Stretch the shirt and ensure the ink also stretches. If it cracks badly, that's a nice sign you are undercured. Put it back through the drier and try again. if unsuccessful, raise temp or slow down conveyor belt speed. retest.

~#2 - Scratch and smear the crap out of it once the ink has cooled! You should not get any blurring, smudging or ink transfer to the rest of the garment. If you do, you are under cured. Make sure it has cooled sufficiently first, though. Warm plastisol is softer and can be tacky.

All my shirts have to go through a quality control process before they are allowed to be delivered to the customer - heat temp at shirt #1 on exit of the drier, mid way through the printing process, (depending on order numbers - sometimes more often), and last shirt through is also zapped with the temp gun. then I perform the 2 tests on all shirts that are temp tested. This is documented and given to the customer, along with washing instructions.

Covers the crap out of you, maintains quality, and makes you look super professional - especially when you refer to laser-guided infra-red temp guns:) That's 2 hyphens on 1 testing device. SUPER-AWESOME-IMPRESSIVE!

Hope this helps. Let us know how you get on

Also - try washing your own products before you start selling to customers. If you post your shirts, post them to yourself first to see what the customer gets when you send them something. THink about the WHOLE process, start to finish. All my shirts are delivered folded to my customers, for example - it means they can load them straight on the shelves or into storage from delivery. Saves them expense and makes you look good (never a bad thing). btw, I use a shirt folder to fold the shirts. as used by Sheldon Cooper in the laundry room on The Big Bang Theory, and available on Ryan Moor's site http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/product/FLIPFOLD

Richie
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Sorry when I say the dryer is drying at 800 that's what the temp on the dryer is set to I called the guy I bought all the equiptment from and he said that just because the dryer is set to 800 doesn't mean that's the temp on the shirt and I also looked at the manufactors specks and it says put it on 800 and turn belt speed on 6 I ran a shirt thru the dryer and it didn't peel smear or nothing then I washed it and it was fine I really don't know what happened with the couple of shirts that peeled for the customer
20vk thanks for the help we do fold them (well actually my wife folds them but all the other suggestions do sound great thanks for your help
We bend down and shoot the ink as it is under the last panel. (our setting is usually 800 as well- Vastex-short intense heat on the ink theory)
Our ink definately cures differently with the size and amount of the sign, so we just don't set it and forget it. Ours was a ryobi gun btw.
Glad it seems only a few peeled off.
I hate when I can't du[plicate a mistake to try to firmly correct the problem
The 800 degree reading is likely the temp on the face of the panel. As you've found out, it isn't the temp of the ink on the shirt, which is what you have to measure. If your shirts had gotten to 800 degrees, all you'd have had at the exit would be ash. Plastisol typically cures at about 300-320 degrees, almost instantly on a very thin film of ink, slower on a thicker film. What you want to do is adjust the temp/speed combo to get the shirts to just over curing temp, and long enough at that temp to cure the thickness of the ink. A stretch test after curing will also help reveal any undercured ink, although that isn't the definitive test. A wash or two is.
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