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hey guys has anyone tried to print with ordinary pigment inks rather than labelled DTG (white shirts only) ,just wondered as all pigment ink is waterproof whats so special about a textile approved ink ?
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Textile ink prints directly on to textile while pigment ink prints onto paper then transfer to textile

That what's so special about textile ink

DTG = direct to garment or textile
hi ,have you actually tried to print a textile with a pigment ink the methods seem straight forward its the practice that I'm curious about ;)
Btw DTG in most cases (exc Brother/Kornit) means a modified desktop printer that has a drive train able to print onto a textile using what we are lead to believe are specialised inks however they are waterbased pigment mixed solutions so what makes them any different ?
Research the best way to find out the difference..
And experience
thats why I asked the queastion ;)
No, they require two different application procedures.
I think the answer you are looking for is that DTG inks incorporate a binder so once cured they adhere to the shirt.

Ordinary pigment inks don't but by printing on a transfer sheet that adds a binding layer they can then be pressed onto a shirt.
You keep saying that lol ,but you have never tried it have you? perhaps someone who has can add to the debate ,dtg textile ink is a waterbased Pigment not dissimilar to ordinary pigment inks!
Ah makes sense thanks guys ,however I wonder if some pigment inks contain the required binder I'm still not convinced as I've had very good test results afterall pigment ink is afterall waterproof ;)
Ah makes sense thanks guys ,however I wonder if some pigment inks contain the required binder I'm still not convinced as I've had very good test results afterall pigment ink is afterall waterproof ;)
i agree , i use Dtg inks but when i first built my machine i used Ultrachrome inks by Epson and i cannot notice any difference in quality and i have wash tested both about 10 times so i am begining to think just because the manufacture of DTG inks say they are better everyone seems to follow this line without actually doing any tests themselves
Would you be able to post pictures of the wash tests that you conducted with the Ultrachrome inks?


i agree , i use Dtg inks but when i first built my machine i used Ultrachrome inks by Epson and i cannot notice any difference in quality and i have wash tested both about 10 times so i am begining to think just because the manufacture of DTG inks say they are better everyone seems to follow this line without actually doing any tests themselves
hey guys has anyone tried to print with ordinary pigment inks rather than labelled DTG (white shirts only) ,just wondered as all pigment ink is waterproof whats so special about a textile approved ink ?
Hi, the answer to your question is, No, you can not print direct to garment with an ordinary pigment ink (epson ultrachrome pigment ink in my case). The thing is, ordinary pigment ink are engineered to work on paper, explained in a simple way... take this example: under the microscope, printer paper and fabric surfaces are like comparing a flat land field with a forest devastated by a hurricane.

So, first, printing with ordinary pigment ink will need at least twice as much ink to achieve rich colors, that is because ordinary pigment ink are absorbed by cotton threads. The ink composition is basically: Pigment + Water

second, when the printed fabric (100% cotton printed with ordinary pigment ink, then heat press for 60 seconds) is washed in a regular washing machine, the ink will start to wash out of the fabric at the first wash. This is because of the composition of the ink

the following link contains a picture showing a fabric printed with ordinary epson ultrachrome pigment ink:

http://cl.ly/b0nn

so, why DTG INK?

Because the composition, DTG ink has an additional ingredient, the additional ingredient is a kind of silicon based nano particles that will melt (heatpress for 60 seconds) and bond the pigment particles with the fabric surface, and because this additional ingredient, the ink is more viscous and it is not absorbed by the cotton threats, so, during the heat press process, the heat will evaporate the wather on the ink, and melt the silicon-based particles in the DTG Ink and and bond the pigment particles to the fabric threats.

i'll hope this help you (english, is not my native language, sorry if you find a lot of grammar faults)
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Also even if pigment ink would work for you white ink will not be available in case you want to print on dark garment.. I assume you could lay down a cpl. of coats of pretreatment which would help with the binding to fabric.. Michael is right about you not getting the vibrant colors you would need for a good print.
i agree , i use Dtg inks but when i first built my machine i used Ultrachrome inks by Epson and i cannot notice any difference in quality and i have wash tested both about 10 times so i am begining to think just because the manufacture of DTG inks say they are better everyone seems to follow this line without actually doing any tests themselves
Would you be able to post pictures of the wash tests that you conducted with the Ultrachrome inks?
Hi, I will build my DIY DTG with my Epson 1400 next week. I would like to know some affordable textile inks for this printer. I've seen inks for USD$80 a lt each color but that is way too expensive for my budget.

Thanks friends!
Hi, I will build my DIY DTG with my Epson 1400 next week. I would like to know some affordable textile inks for this printer. I've seen inks for USD$80 a lt each color but that is way too expensive for my budget.

Thanks friends!
If $80 per liter is too expensive you might not want to do DTG. That is extremely cheap for DTG inks and most at that price are not very good.
Wow, I thought that was expensive. But I do want to enter that world so I will have to get the money to do it. If you say most at that price are not good. Can you recommend me some good ones at good prices too? Please remember that I will build my printer from a Epson Stylus Photo 1400 so I don't know if they use the same ink as the real DTG printers.

Thanks!
Hi friend,

This ink wont damage my printer right? remember is an Epson 1400 converted into a DTG, not a real DTG.

Thanks!!
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