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P600. I have the Adjustment Wizard.

Printer flashes the Waste Ink Pad error, I do a "check" and they're at 95%. I run the "initialize" sequence, power off printer, power back up, run a "check" again and all are at 0%.

Run prints for an hour. Error pops up and shows at 96%. Run "initialize" again, shows 0%.

Run prints for an hour. Error pops up and at 97%. Same cycle.

Now error shows 98%.

Any ideas?
 

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Nope. Bought three different reset tools, all show reset to zero and then it immediately jumps to 80-90% within a few prints.

Major dilemma. I print hundreds of shirts a day sometimes and resetting every fifteen minutes is time consuming.
 

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Just an update: one of my P600s finally went to 100% (was waste resetting 3X a day!) and won't reset anymore. I even bought the $10 WICReset version with the one time use code, reset it to 0%, and it went immediately to 100% again. The WICReset guys sent me a free code and same issue. Thankfully I have a spare P600 so that one is printing but my #3 machine is up to 20% with 3X a day resets and slowly climbing, and my #2 machine is up to 95% with 3X a day resets (it was 94% for the past week).

This is an issue and it appears the hackers selling the apps want to blame something in the printer. I'm wondering if the new sideboard firmware might be part of the issue.

I'm trying to track down a parts P600 that I can swap the other boards with to see if I can get things working but right now it's a grievance and a huge cost concern. If I only get 1-3 months out of each P600, it's going to be $500-$700 down the drain needlessly.
 

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Right now I've talked to a few people who swear they're resetting their waste ink pad but when I ask them to do a demo video, zero of them are willing to. Which to me means they aren't.

We are all able to reset the pad to 0% but after 1-2 prints, it bounces right back up to where it was before.

If you're a high volume shop like we are, you can lose 20-30% a month in value, which puts the clock at 3-4 months before the printer is shut down.

I ordered a bunch of different boards, etc, to see if I can find a solution. I have tried 4 different reset apps and spent over $150 on them and none of them work properly.

I talked to an actual engineer and he told me the sideboard that handles things is probably filtering or blocking the actual reset from the EEPROM somehow, so it means the sideboards probably need adjusting. But so far, no one has a solution and no vendors want to admit there's a flaw. I even had a new vendor (they're not on here) outright lie to me that their solution works but they refuse to show it on video, and I asked one of their customers to video his reset and his also doesn't reset (and he's going ham on the vendor for a solution).
 

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I am getting replacement boards to see what part needs to be replaced. There is no way we HAVE to replace the entire printer when it's probably a board that can be swapped (and sourced from Compass Micro or similar).

I'd be 100% fine with replacing a $100 board every 3-4 months if I have to.
 

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I don't believe the hardware is actually identical in every way.

I have a feeling that Epson wanted to crush some DTG conversions (because of their own overpriced DTG boat anchor) and stunted the P600 when they brought it out. It wouldn't surprise me, at least.

I love my P600s but the waste ink issue is one huge problem and I definitely would switch to an R3000 if I had the option initially.
 

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I need to replace my DIY sideboard with the OEM version and see if the waste reset works that way. I also have a new mainboard I'll install tomorrow to see if that gives me a fresh counter.

Compass Micro doesn't even sell the P600 mainboard so I'm wondering if they're just not available as replacement parts, which would be unfortunate.
 

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treefox2118 what do you mean with OEM sideboard? like change sisterboard in ufo kit but other tipe?
Yes, that sisterboard.

Someone of you get epson adjustment program provided by a youtube video at this mail [email protected]? you know if this work ? says illimitate times reset...
None of those reset programs work at all. I've spent over $150 on reset programs, reset keys, etc. None of them work, period. I've tested them on THREE P600s and all 3 died within 2 months of production.

The P600 is not ready for production, period. I am a bit peeved that I've spent so many thousands of dollars only to have dead machines so quickly. I had to refund thousands of dollars in orders because they rapidly go to failure. I've reset the waste ink tank sometimes 12 times in a day only to watch them creep up 5-10% in a single day during busy production. I've done 300 shirts in a day on a P600, but when the waste ink tank goes up 10% there's no point in trying to stay ahead of it.

I am talking to M&R now about getting an M Link printer because I have a feeling that no printer under $20,000 can really handle high output production. It's unfortunate, I had a lot of hope for these little guys and thought I'd just keep a few spares around but it just isn't for me.

If you print only 100 shirts a week, the P600 will probably last you a year. But I can't make money at 100 shirts a week, I would go bankrupt in 4 weeks at that volume.
 

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Are sure compass micro doesn't sell them or did you just look on the website? I know with the r3000 many parts were available to the resellers that weren't listed on the website.
That's a possibility, I'll call Compass Micro tomorrow and inquire.

What does Spectra tell you about this issue?

They should be able to get you a new Epson P600 mainboard for less than $150.
Spectra has been great, they mailed me a new mainboard. The problem is I don't see changing mainboard out as an efficient solution. I can get 200+ shirts a day on average in sales and we have had days double that. If I have to change a mainboard out frequently on all my printers, it's going to just cost too much in parts and labor. By the time you get to the two year mark, you're looking at the cost of an industrial printer after all is said and done.

The ink cart reset delay is bad enough sometimes. It's fast, thankfully, but it seriously slows production down and we do get wasted shirts from a darker band pass after the reset.

The P600 is an awesome step for a new startup but once you get to any sort of higher volume, I don't think it can hold its own.

Maybe the P800 will be different, something to look into.

I'm going to look at industrial printers this week. We just can't have this stress daily, I've blown out two P600s and the third one is going to be 100% in a few weeks since all my jobs go to one printer.
 

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The P600 should have parts swappable with the R3000 I believe. So the P600 is not junk.

Also, you should be able to print THOUSANDS of shirts before the waste ink situation happens to you. Honestly, it's fine if you're doing 12-20 shirts per day. We can print 300 shirts in a day and that crushes the waste ink setting too quickly. For new startups, the P600 is fantastic.
 
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