Opaque white toner?

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mrneko

Discussion Starter · Mar 1, 2018

Does anyone know where to get opaque white toner? I've gotten the white toner from Al and also a local supplier who claims his white toner is 100% similar to OKI OEM white toner. Both produce translucent print and not opaque.

The closest one I've seen so far is from ghost white toner (at least from the video). However, they don't sell the toner for my model.

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Lnfortun

· #2 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

mrneko said:
Does anyone know where to get opaque white toner? I've gotten the white toner from Al and also a local supplier who claims his white toner is 100% similar to OKI OEM white toner. Both produce translucent print and not opaque.

The closest one I've seen so far is from ghost white toner (at least from the video). However, they don't sell the toner for my model.

Al sells both pigmented (White) and translucent toner. Maybe you have gotten the translucent toner. Try this White Toner powder refill for C711WT.

Actually when you use 2 step transfer for dark the white of the image is from the B sheet. Unless you are printing on dark paper and not heat transfer. Too much white toner printed over the color image will make the transferred image on the shirt is more prone to cracking than if less white toner is used.

BTW did you fix your heat press? Were you able to get Imageclip Laser Light working?

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mrneko

Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

Lnfortun said:
Try this AU Ebay White Toner powder refill for C711WT.

Actually when you use 2 step transfer for dark the white of the image is from the B sheet. Unless you are printing on dark paper and not heat transfer. Too much white toner printed over the color image will make the transferred image on the shirt is prone more to cracking than if less white toner is used.

BTW did you fix your heat press? Were you able to get Imageclip Laser Light working?

Hey Luis, thanks for the link! Yes I "fixed" it by getting a new heat press. Used like 2 papers to get the pressure right and everything just worked after that. 20 seconds at 210F and they weed perfectly every time. I guess something must be really wrong with my old heat press. I am only using it to press tees now.

Regarding Al's white toner plus sub ink system, I still can't get them to marry properly. He told me to increase temperature to 285F - 295F and also up the pressure but I am still getting random drop outs with certain graphics. I am also using the same system on IC Light to print gradients.

Lnfortun

· #4 · Mar 1, 2018

mrneko said:
Hey Luis, thanks for the link! Yes I "fixed" it by getting a new heat press. Used like 2 paper to get the pressure right and everything just worked after that. 20 seconds at 210F and they weed perfectly every time. I guess something must be really wrong with my old heat press. I am only using it to press tees now.

Regarding Al's white toner plus sub ink system, I still can't get them to marry properly. He told me to increase temperature to 285F - 295F and also up the pressure but I am still getting random drop outs with certain graphics. I am also using the same system on IC Light to print gradients.

That was a good fix. It saved you a lot of grief

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What is the recommended settings you are using for Imageclip Laser Dark? I had issues using the settings with the new IC dark version. I get good consistent result using the old version settings. 250F, 25 seconds and medium pressure. How is IC light turn out using AL's laser/sublimation system? You can print gradient with IC light without white toner if you convert the image to very high resolution RGB halftone.

You cannot use negative grayscale for the white mask. It has to be solid black silhouette of the color image. Let me know if you need help creating the back silhouette. Send me a file and I will send it back with the mask.

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mrneko

Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 1, 2018

Still experimenting with IC light but I think the most consistent result is to do double pass. First print full colour and second print with invert grayscale. Sometimes there might be some registration which causes extra polymer to adhere outside the line issue but it's not noticeable when transferred onto a white shirt. Not much difference in terms of hand. As for cracking, I've only washed it a few times though so still too early to confirm.

My issue is with IC dark. I find it really hard to get consistent result. Even with just white lines only (solid black lines in photoshop) without any sub ink, there's always a few drop outs here and there.

Lnfortun

· #6 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

mrneko said:
Still experimenting with IC light but I think the most consistent result is to do double pass. First print full colour and second print with invert grayscale. Sometimes there might be some registration which causes extra polymer to adhere outside the line issue but it's not noticeable when transferred onto a white shirt. Not much difference in terms of hand. As for cracking, I've only washed it a few times though so still too early to confirm.

My issue is with IC dark. I find it really hard to get consistent result. Even with just white lines only (solid black lines in photoshop) without any sub ink, there's always a few drop outs here and there.

Try using the old version settings for IC dark. If you use negative grayscale with IC dark only part of the image will transfer from B to A sheet. Just where the white toner will transfer when married to sublimated B sheet. Choke the mask to minimize registration error.

mrneko

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

Lnfortun said:
Try using the old version settings for IC dark. If you use negative grayscale with IC dark only part of the image will transfer from B to A sheet. Just where the white toner will transfer when married to sublimated B sheet. Choke the mask to minimize registration error.

How do you normally choke your image? I use inner stroke => 2px on PS layer style but it doesn't seem right.

That aside, do you know if the white toner for OKI C711WT prints solid white or translucent? I bought a compatible toner from a local supplier thinking it will print solid white but turned out to be translucent. Called him and he said it's supposed to be translucent. From all the online videos I've seen, they seem to be printing solid white. Too bad I don't know anyone who has that printer so I can't verify myself. I'm supposed to print some cards for a customer and he wants white text.

LucidDavid

· #8 · Mar 1, 2018

Lnfortun said:
Al sells both pigmented (White) and translucent toner. Maybe you have gotten the translucent toner. Try this White Toner powder refill for C711WT.

Luis, have you or anyone else actually tested this toner to see if it works?

Lnfortun

· #9 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

LucidDavid said:
Luis, have you or anyone else actually tested this toner to see if it works?

I have not tested it. I am thinking about getting it now that my C5200Ne is starting to fall apart after almost 27 years in use. I will be replacing it with either C610 or C612 or C711 CMYK.

There is a member @sandhopper2 who bought the toner. He is going to use it with HP printer. I don't know if he had tried it yet. Been waiting for him to report back.

You will find his thread here. I replied about the toner link to him in Post #15. Maybe you can PM him? His is looking for any info about alternative white toner printing.

Lnfortun

· #10 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

mrneko said:
How do you normally choke your image? I use inner stroke => 2px on PS layer style but it doesn't seem right.

That aside, do you know if the white toner for OKI C711WT prints solid white or translucent? I bought a compatible toner from a local supplier thinking it will print solid white but turned out to be translucent. Called him and he said it's supposed to be translucent. From all the online videos I've seen, they seem to be printing solid white. Too bad I don't know anyone who has that printer so I can't verify myself. I have a feeling I got scammed. I'm supposed to print some cards for a customer and he wants white text.

If the image is not floating objects and in one piece you can get away by reducing the size few pixels. The pixel amount will depend on the resolution of the image. Or reduce a fraction of an inch if the unit is in inch. If the image is floating objects all the objects will be displaced relative to the original.

My way of choking. Duplicate the image and use it for creating the mask. After creating the mask do the following:
1) Remove all white background with Magic Eraser.
2) Click the Magic Wand tool.
3) In the property menu uncheck Contiguous checkbox.
4) Click any part of the transparent background with Magic Wand.
5) Click Select
6) Click Expand
7) Type the value of the pixel desired to choke the image.
8) Press Delete Key.

To verify if the mask was choked enough or too much zoom around the edges of all the floating objects to make sure everything lined up with the original.

BTW you do this faster with click of action button next time when you create Actions in PS CS2 or higher or PS CC. PS Element does not have built in Action feature.

I have been waiting for @sandhopper2 to report back about the white toner powder he bought from AU Ebay. Hopefully he will let us know his findings. Send him a PM. Maybe between you and @LucidDavid can get some answer. I will PM him also.

What brand and model is your printer?

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Lnfortun

· #11 · Mar 1, 2018

@sandhopper2 replied to my PM. He said he got the toner but found out from YouTube how complicated it is to clean the toner/drum cartridge. So he is looking for a vendor that supplies empty toner/drum cartridge.

sandhopper2

· #12 · Mar 1, 2018

No luck yet on a vendor to sell an empty cartridge for my HP 1518ni . I put a yellow empty cartridge and it gives an error , I hope it is the chip so I can try this as the empty cartridge
I ordered a black chip to put on the yellow cartridge , then I will try and put that in the machine before cleaning .
My thought is if I don't get it 100% clean it will only yellow the white a little , that would be better than trying a black
The yellow shows empty , but I know there is toner in there to see if that will print before I try and clean
Larry

mrneko

Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 1, 2018 (Edited)

sandhopper2 said:
No luck yet on a vendor to sell an empty cartridge for my HP 1518ni . I put a yellow empty cartridge and it gives an error , I hope it is the chip so I can try this as the empty cartridge
I ordered a black chip to put on the yellow cartridge , then I will try and put that in the machine before cleaning .
My thought is if I don't get it 100% clean it will only yellow the white a little , that would be better than trying a black
The yellow shows empty , but I know there is toner in there to see if that will print before I try and clean
Larry

Did you get the toner from tonerstop? That's the local supplier I mentioned earlier. I'd strongly suggest to try clean out the yellow toner as much as possible. I have 2 white drum unit, one from a K drum and one from a Y drum. The one from the Y drum looks a lot more yellowish especially on a black t-shirt. I am not sure if it's due to the existing yellow toner that was not properly cleaned since they did it for me or the white toner is yellowish to begin with. I will call the supplier and confirm with him during office hour.

Lnfortun

· #14 · Mar 1, 2018

mrneko said:
Did you get the toner from tonerstop? That's the local supplier I mentioned earlier. I'd strongly suggest to try clean out the yellow toner as much as possible. I have 2 white drum unit, one from a K drum and one from a Y drum. The one from the Y drum looks a lot more yellowish especially on a black t-shirt. I am not sure if it's due to the existing yellow toner that was not properly cleaned since they did it for me or the white toner is yellowish to begin with. I will call the supplier and confirm with him during office hour.

Where are you located?

mrneko

Discussion Starter · #15 · Mar 1, 2018

Lnfortun said:
Where are you located?

Melbourne, Down Under

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Lnfortun

· #16 · Mar 1, 2018

Choking, change step 5) Click Select>Modify
Add setps 9 and 10
9) Click Select>Inverse
10) Edit Stroke inner 1 pixel

Lnfortun

· #17 · Mar 1, 2018

mrneko said:
Melbourne, Down Under

So it is not really opaque white? Supposedly it is compatible to C711WT white as advertised. Sorry

you already tried it and I was giving you the link to AU Ebay oops

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sandhopper2

· #18 · Mar 2, 2018

mrneko said:
Did you get the toner from tonerstop? That's the local supplier I mentioned earlier. I'd strongly suggest to try clean out the yellow toner as much as possible. I have 2 white drum unit, one from a K drum and one from a Y drum. The one from the Y drum looks a lot more yellowish especially on a black t-shirt. I am not sure if it's due to the existing yellow toner that was not properly cleaned since they did it for me or the white toner is yellowish to begin with. I will call the supplier and confirm with him during office hour.

Yes from Tonerstop , but mine says HP white toner

LucidDavid

· #19 · Mar 2, 2018

Re: Opaque white toner? Ghost

Hey, Here is a picture of my first Ghost print. It is a 10x13 image on an XXL shirt. The areas that look white are actually a light brown color and backed with white, just in case you are wondering why the white looks off color - there is no true white in this image. This was printed on an HP printer.

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Lnfortun

· #20 · Mar 2, 2018

Re: Opaque white toner? Ghost

LucidDavid said:
Hey, Here is a picture of my first Ghost print. It is a 10x13 image on an XXL shirt. The areas that look white are actually a light brown color and backed with white, just in case you are wondering why the white looks off color - there is no true white in this image. This was printed on an HP printer.

How about doing one with white in the artwork?

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