[tfacsen]

I have two printers, one oki c710 with white toner to replace the black and one standard oki c610.

I'm New at this and have been Reading lots and lots of forum threads to find my answer.

I tried the c710 yesterday, With white toner. Just to test this i wrote som text in black and just printet out. (Haven't recived my transfer papers yet) The print was not good at all. The white only comes out as a "shadow" i have tried many different settings on my printer with no Luck.


So my question is: What is the best setup for me with the equipment i got and how do i get the best prints? I wanna do 2 pass printing, but this won't be any good if the white toner only prints shades.

Hope anyone can tell me from start to finish how i can make this work the best way.



Greetings from Norway!

 

[tfacsen]

As for more information i have bought the forever laser dark transfer paper, and wow obm if i cant get the white toner to work properly.

 

[Lnfortun]

The white toner is going to be faint on plain paper. The theory is when you do two pass printing the white area of the CMYK image and the color will all be flooded with white toner. Therefore the opaque coating on the B sheet will bond on the toners on A sheet including white after the A and B sheets are married.

Speaking of faintness I use translucent toner as suppose to white toner and I can hardly see the translucent toner on plain paper.

Actually the white of the transferred image on the shirt is the opaque coating from B sheet .

Try one and you will be surprised that two pass printing does work. Just be aware that slight registration maybe off depending on how to load the transfer on the multipurpose tray.

BTW to make sure the C712 is set properly to print pure black and not composite black do the following:

1) Click the Windows start button on the task bar
2) Click Devices and Printers
3) Locate the Printer icon for C712
4) Right click on it
5) Click Printing Preferences
6) Click Job Options tab
7) Select Fine
8) Click Advanced button
9) Click Use K toner for 100% Black areas
10) Click OK
11) Click Color tab
12) Click Grayscale
13) Click OK
14) Click OK

Next time you print the black art work for white toner the printer will be ready. Mirror the artwork. You need to remove the white background of the color artwork. Make a duplicate. Make a black silhouette out of the duplicate by filling it with black. Carefully load the the A sheet in the multipurpose tray of C612. Make sure it is snug and no side to side movement to maintain the registration. Print the color artwork. Carefully load the transfer on the multipurpose tray of C712. Make sure its snug and no side to side movement. Print the black silhouette.

Mary the A and B sheets according to factory instructions. Press the A sheet on the shirt per instructions.

The link below is for pdf file of the process I use to create the black and white image for printing white on the second pass. The instructions for creating negative grayscale. You also use full black instead of negative grayscale. Click the link to download it. Print a hard copy.

[media]http://www.t-shirtforums.com/attachments/239593d1504206178-how-change-eprom-setting-oki-c5200-white-toner-printer-negative-grayscale.pdf[/media]

 

[tfacsen]

Thanks for taking time to answer

Aha, so i woun't be able to print on colored paper With the white toner if i want to?

Kan do the hole prosess i one printer, just by switching the W and K toner?


Do you have any experience With the forever paper, is it durable?
I'm considering buying a New heatpress for this job. My wife uses Happy press 3 for her vinyl jobs, and i'm pretty sure it woun't do the work With marrying tha A and B sheet. I also read that u can use a laminator to do part off the marrying. Maybe the happy press will do if do it With a laminator also?

 

[Lnfortun]

Thanks for taking time to answer

Aha, so i woun't be able to print on colored paper With the white toner if i want to?

Kan do the hole prosess i one printer, just by switching the W and K toner?


Do you have any experience With the forever paper, is it durable?
I'm considering buying a New heatpress for this job. My wife uses Happy press 3 for her vinyl jobs, and i'm pretty sure it woun't do the work With marrying tha A and B sheet. I also read that u can use a laminator to do part off the marrying. Maybe the happy press will do if do it With a laminator also?

You can print on color paper but with multiple passes. I only use white toner for heat transfer. Besides what I have is translucent toner. Aside from multiple process print the image on heat transfer then press the weeded A sheet on color paper.

I never had any luck with Forever Low Temp No Cut nor Forever Flex Soft. I can't get pass the marrying step. The samples that I printed 2 passes where married by a factory Rep. He sent them back to me so I can press them on the shirts. They transferred fine but had plasticky feel and made crinkle sound. They cracked after few washes.

I have better luck with Imageclip Laser Light, Laser dark and Koncert T. I mostly do Imageclip Laser light. Very limited use of laser dark and Koncert T. Even though laser dark and Koncert T imho is better durability wise laser dark products durability is not up to par yet imho.

I have a laminator but I don't do it for heat transfer. Some members swear by it and successfully been using it.

The image below was done with Koncert T. It has been through several washes. Had very soft hand.

The one below was printed single pass. I forgot to swap back to black toner and accidentally printed the image on A sheet of Imageclip Laser light. Since the new Imageclip laser light is cold peel I married it to Imageclip laser dark B sheet to see what would happen. The result is waht you see in the image below.

The one below was done with Imageclip Laser Dark 2 pass printing. I did not choke the white so there are white bleeding on the border of the color image.

 

[tfacsen]

What can you use for dark t shirts then? Seems like the laser printing for transfer is not developed properly yet? I bought this setup after reading tons of forums and wanted to be able to make my own color transfers. I?ve been buying simple logos at a norwegian company That sells Silk transfer. It?s very expensive.

What is the durability like with the transfer papers that are like vinyl? Print and cut papers.

I didnt Get the setup right for my printer. I tested What you wrote, But the setting where different. Maybe it?s because i use Windows 10?


Sorry for my english. and thank you again for all the great tips!

 

[Lnfortun]

What can you use for dark t shirts then? Seems like the laser printing for transfer is not developed properly yet? I bought this setup after reading tons of forums and wanted to be able to make my own color transfers. I?ve been buying simple logos at a norwegian company That sells Silk transfer. It?s very expensive.

What is the durability like with the transfer papers that are like vinyl? Print and cut papers.

I didnt Get the setup right for my printer. I tested What you wrote, But the setting where different. Maybe it?s because i use Windows 10?


Sorry for my english. and thank you again for all the great tips!

Can you describe in detail the difference you encountered. It is hard for me to envision without detailed information. Which specific part of the procedure are you having problem?

Nothing that I know that comes close to vinyl as far as durability is concerned. For light garment sublimation is durable, vivid and has very soft hand. But that requires expensive high content polyester garment, sublimation inkjet printer and expensive sublimation ink.

I would suggest before giving up is to try samples of 2 step laser transfers like Forever laser dark, Forever Flex Soft, Imageclip laser dark, Imageclip Laser light and Koncert T. Test each and get first hand experience for each that will met your expectation then go from there. Stay away from single step self weeding laser transfer for light.

I prefer to do the actual evaluation even if it costs me time and money. That way I can tweak the process and not rely on others opinion. It is expensive doing it but rewarding once I find the sweet spot for the particular product. Also avoid products that just not met expectations.

 

[Lnfortun]

Read this thread Printers and Inks for Inkjet and Laser Transfers - T-Shirt Forums. A member claims that he is happy with Uninet Premium laser transfer for dark. He admits though like others that laser transfers or even DTG cracks. Send him a PM and find out what he is doing right.

Uninet claims Premium transfer is good for 100 washes.

https://blog.signwarehouse.com/uninet-premium-laser-transfer-paper/

 

[tfacsen]

Can you describe in detail the difference you encountered. It is hard for me to envision without detailed information. Which specific part of the procedure are you having problem?

Nothing that I know that comes close to vinyl as far as durability is concerned. For light garment sublimation is durable, vivid and has very soft hand. But that requires expensive high content polyester garment, sublimation inkjet printer and expensive sublimation ink.

I would suggest before giving up is to try samples of 2 step laser transfers like Forever laser dark, Forever Flex Soft, Imageclip laser dark, Imageclip Laser light and Koncert T. Test each and get first hand experience for each that will met your expectation then go from there. Stay away from single step self weeding laser transfer for light.

I prefer to do the actual evaluation even if it costs me time and money. That way I can tweak the process and not rely on others opinion. It is expensive doing it but rewarding once I find the sweet spot for the particular product. Also avoid products that just not met expectations.

I did'nt have any problems yet. I have not gotten my papers from ebay yet I'm looking for information so that i don't have to do the hole prosses With the different papers and so on. There are very little Companys that offers transferpaper in Norway and the one's that do, charge alot for them. Almost twice the price on ebay.

I have ordered sevaral different papers and i can't wait to get started.

The OBM from WoW, is the quality any good? How many washes?

I think i might have to buy a New heatpress for this, mine was cheap and it's small.
I'm considering the Hottronix fusion, what do you think about that press?

 

[tfacsen]

Can you describe in detail the difference you encountered. It is hard for me to envision without detailed information. Which specific part of the procedure are you having problem?

Nothing that I know that comes close to vinyl as far as durability is concerned. For light garment sublimation is durable, vivid and has very soft hand. But that requires expensive high content polyester garment, sublimation inkjet printer and expensive sublimation ink.

I would suggest before giving up is to try samples of 2 step laser transfers like Forever laser dark, Forever Flex Soft, Imageclip laser dark, Imageclip Laser light and Koncert T. Test each and get first hand experience for each that will met your expectation then go from there. Stay away from single step self weeding laser transfer for light.

I prefer to do the actual evaluation even if it costs me time and money. That way I can tweak the process and not rely on others opinion. It is expensive doing it but rewarding once I find the sweet spot for the particular product. Also avoid products that just not met expectations.

I haven't recived my papers yet, so i'm really nervous it won't do the job.

The OBM from WoW how is the print on these kinds of paper after some washes?
I need to get good results to be able to sell this to my customers. In Norway there are almost noone selling transferpapers so it's not easy getting some for testing.
I'm also sure i have to buy me another heatpress to do this. If the papers are so sensetive to heat and pressure.

What kind of heatpress do you recomend? I was woundering about buying the Hottronix fusion, but it's very expencive.

 

[Lnfortun]

I did'nt have any problems yet. I have not gotten my papers from ebay yet I'm looking for information so that i don't have to do the hole prosses With the different papers and so on. There are very little Companys that offers transferpaper in Norway and the one's that do, charge alot for them. Almost twice the price on ebay.

I have ordered sevaral different papers and i can't wait to get started.

The OBM from WoW, is the quality any good? How many washes?

I think i might have to buy a New heatpress for this, mine was cheap and it's small.
I'm considering the Hottronix fusion, what do you think about that press?

No experience with OBM. Fusion is good quality heat press. I own Stahls swing away press that bought in 1990. It still good working press. Only thing I've change is the backup battery.

 

[Lnfortun]

I did'nt have any problems yet. I have not gotten my papers from ebay yet I'm looking for information so that i don't have to do the hole prosses With the different papers and so on. There are very little Companys that offers transferpaper in Norway and the one's that do, charge alot for them. Almost twice the price on ebay.

I have ordered sevaral different papers and i can't wait to get started.

The OBM from WoW, is the quality any good? How many washes?

I think i might have to buy a New heatpress for this, mine was cheap and it's small.
I'm considering the Hottronix fusion, what do you think about that press?

You said you can't use the PDF file because of Windows 10. Can you tell why and what part of the procedure that is not working for you so I can steer to the right direction?

Can you get the transfers from EU vendor's. Neenah and Forever have resources in Germany.

Neenah Paper Technical Products has announced a European distribution facility through the Neenah Paper Lahnstein, Germany location.
Our laser and inkjet heat transfer papers are now stocked in Europe and will be available for same day, or next day shipping using your credit card to anywhere in the European Union!
Visit Neenah Heat Transfer Paper to order online and ship directly to your door throughout Europe. "

Http://www.Forever-ots.com

 

[tfacsen]

You said you can't use the PDF file because of Windows 10. Can you tell why and what part of the procedure that is not working for you so I can steer to the right direction?

Can you get the transfers from EU vendor's. Neenah and Forever have resources in Germany.

Neenah Paper Technical Products has announced a European distribution facility through the Neenah Paper Lahnstein, Germany location.
Our laser and inkjet heat transfer papers are now stocked in Europe and will be available for same day, or next day shipping using your credit card to anywhere in the European Union!
Visit Neenah Heat Transfer Paper to order online and ship directly to your door throughout Europe. "

Homepage - FOREVER GmbH

The PDF Works fine, but the settings on the printer is different from the settings in the PDF file. Have you ever printet stickers With the printer?

 

[tfacsen]

I ended up buying a oki 711wt.
i'm gonna pick it up tomorrow. I hope this is not an overpriced printer, and that it gives me alle the options they promise.

This will also come With spacecontrol, so i don't have to manually do anything? Right?

 

[Famleink]

How are you liking the oki? What type of paper are you using for dark garmets? Did you think the Forever RIP program was worth the buy?

 

[tfacsen]

Hi. The seller of the oki c711wt is hard to get a hold of, so i'm stuck With the oki c710 for now.

I'm going to buy the oki c711wt, when i get for the same price as the one i wanted to buy. But for now i want to get my c710 setup to work.

I'm having several issues With the printing prossess. I use forever laser dark low temp.
I have changed all the toners, the fuser and the drums on cmy, not the K.

When i print greyscale and ony black it turns out great, even With "worn" drum. But when i print With colors the print quality is poor. It looks like i have som "bubles" in the print area, the print is not With "poppin" colors and everything just looks really bad.
I have tried several settings on my printer, With varoius results. Anyone know what could be the problem? It seems like the print setting are bad, so the print comes out different every time.

the c710 is an old printer, so i am not able to get a driver thats made for win 10, i only get a driver thats ment for different printers. That leaves me With some options for the paper, ultra light, medium light, normal, Auto, Heavy, ultra Heavy and ultra Heavy 2. I have no options like film/transparacy or so.

What is the best settings to use? Can i get a driver that will work better?

I have used 50 papers to test this now, so it's getting really expencive. :-/

When i print on normal paper, the prints are Perfect. I'm so frustrated by this.

 

[tfacsen]

Also i have to say that the marrying prossess is no issue at all! I have a insta heat press and it does the work every time i do get a good print, like the only black prints.

 

[Lnfortun]

Also i have to say that the marrying prossess is no issue at all! I have a insta heat press and it does the work every time i do get a good print, like the only black prints.

Check the printer menu. See if the toner saver is turned on. Turn it off. It is located in the printer menu settings. Not in the windows driver dialog. To use the menu press + or - or Up or down arrow button in the printer. Maybe the fuser does not get hot enough for thick media.

Click the windows Start button in the task bar. Click Devices and Printers. Right click on the printer icon. Click Printing Preferences. Click Job Options tab. Click fine. Click OK. Click Color tab. Try different color mode.

Download the driver from here: http://myokidata.com/PP-C710dn.nsf?opendatabase.

Click [email protected] to send an email.
To speak to tech click My.okidata.com - Product Solutions Center for the C710DN

Post some pictures of plain paper and transfer hardcopy.

 

[LucidDavid]

When i print greyscale and ony black it turns out great, even With "worn" drum. But when i print With colors the print quality is poor. It looks like i have som "bubles" in the print area, the print is not With "poppin" colors and everything just looks really bad.
I have tried several settings on my printer, With varoius results. Anyone know what could be the problem? It seems like the print setting are bad, so the print comes out different every time.

Incorrect media settings! Use Transparency or Glossy!

 

[Lnfortun]

Incorrect media settings! Use Transparency or Glossy!

the c710 is an old printer, so i am not able to get a driver thats made for win 10, i only get a driver thats ment for different printers. That leaves me With some options for the paper, ultra light, medium light, normal, Auto, Heavy, ultra Heavy and ultra Heavy 2. I have no options like film/transparacy or so.

You missed the part that he don't have film/transparency settings. Granting it was misspelled but I think he meant the same.

Is that why you replied "Incorrect settings! Use Transparency/Glossy." because it was misspelled?

I am surprised C710 does not have Transparency settings. I have obsolete C5200Ne at least 27 years old. It has Transparency setting in it.