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I am thinking about getting some Newman Roller Frames w/square bar but I have a question. How often can the mesh be restretched? If it's "work hardened" can it be restretched and on average about how many prints before it needs to be restretched? I know each mesh has different tensions but just trying to get an estimate as to how often they have to be restretched.
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You may have it backwards here--you want it to get 'work hardened' to minimize tension loss, so you don't have to restretch it on a regular basis. I count on restretching 4-7 times before the screen stays reasonably stable, but it depends on many variables.
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I understand that. What I was wondering was once work hardened, about how often do you have to restretch? Sorry I didn't explain it better.
I recently made the switch from static aluminum frames to Newman Roller Frames.I have 8 Newman frames that I put mesh on as soon as I got them....I have printed multible jobs on each frame with no restretches as of yet......I stretched them until they reached 30 newtons, I would say about 2 months so far..they all are at 30 newtons still....hope this help!

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Thanks, inked! Did you get yours at Stretch Devices or cheaper elsewhere?
I purchesed mine at silkscreeningsupplies.com

Inked
There's a new school of thought about Newman retensionables. We stretch ours with the L2 and leave the stretch for about 10 minutes before we tighten the bolts. The thought process for this is that you are getting work hardened screens right up front by getting all the "relaxation" out of the mesh with the initial stretch. I can tell you that we are maintaining consistent tensions with newly stretched screens for the duration. We're not seeing any significant loss of tension through the many jobs they're being used to print.
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True--it's the same principle that's been at work for an even longer time in conventional pneumatic stretchers. Although the L2 has the added advantage over manual stretching of bringing both warp and weft threads to tension at the same time, I don't have the room or the 3K+ to drop on one. :)

The SPTF has an excellent paper (from the late nineties, I believe) on "Rapid Tensioning"--get a hold of a copy if you're really interested in the pros and cons.
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I am new to putting mesh on the newmans and am having a difficult time getting the mesh on streight.....any tips on this?

I do this manually ....I dont have the money to get a automatic tensioner.

Inked
I am new to putting mesh on the newmans and am having a difficult time getting the mesh on streight.....any tips on this?

I do this manually ....I dont have the money to get a automatic tensioner.

Inked
If you're a fan of Newman mesh, you can get flash panels from Ryonet. Other mesh is also sold in panels for the MZX and M3 frames from Graphic Solutions.
Panels make it about as square as you can get it without vooddoo.

The workhardening is just that. If you put a screen on a big run it will react differently than one you use on 50 piece orders and keep reclaiming.

Ya kinda know they are work hardened when you stick the meter on before degreasing and coating again and it is in your target range.

We actually put a few pounds on em while they are in the manual stretcher gizmo for 10 mmins to flex them a littlle then retighten before we put them on the shelf.
So I guess I'm saying they will vary in time to work harden depending on the use, stretching gizmo, phase of the moon, but it's easy to know when they are done playing stretch armstrong with use of a meter.
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Inked, I make a small cut and rip the mesh to make a strait edge. And always start with that edge.

Yes the panels are nice but pricey. I have used the panels for a long time but recently switched. I was using the shur-loc panels and they are not as durable as the Newman panels. I think Newman uses the roller mesh they sell and I am going to order a few yards of the higher mesh to see how they hold up. I do push the mesh to the limit and do a lot of high mesh printing so lately the panels haven't been holding up. The last few failed at the strip.
I have 1 panel I purchased from Ryonet...I noticed that I can get alot more tension out of the flash panels...I purchased a few yards of mesh and tried to get as much tension , but the mesh ripped at anything above 25 newtons....I got 37 out of the flash panel....and could probably get more if I tried....

Inked
Ryonet sell Newman roller mesh. The tension they advertise is slightly higher that the panel. I should have my roller mesh this week.

Inked, did you get standard mesh? Or roller mesh.

I only have 1 Newman flash panel. All the rest are sur-loc panels. If the roller mesh isn't as strong as the flash panels by Newman I am switching to the Newman panels.
Sben's right on--always tear the mesh for straight edges you can align to.

When you put the mesh on the frame, and clip in the first (long) side, measure it--you should have equal amounts of mesh outside of each clip. If you don't, squeeze the clip (DON'T pull against the clip while it's seated) and adjust it slightly until it is even--then the other side should be even, and you can adjust the 'slant' on the short sides by measuring from the corners.

Once you get good at that and you want to do even better, you get to relearn it all again doing reverse curves. :rolleyes:
Sben's right on--always tear the mesh for straight edges you can align to.

When you put the mesh on the frame, and clip in the first (long) side, measure it--you should have equal amounts of mesh outside of each clip. If you don't, squeeze the clip (DON'T pull against the clip while it's seated) and adjust it slightly until it is even--then the other side should be even, and you can adjust the 'slant' on the short sides by measuring from the corners.

Once you get good at that and you want to do even better, you get to relearn it all again doing reverse curves. :rolleyes:
You mention one thing that "Inked" might be missing, namely the alignment clips. Unless you have the instructions from Stretch Devices, or maybe have purchased a "system" with the whole kit-and-kaboodle, many who just buy the frames from a dealer might not be aware of the clips, which are pretty much essential in getting the mesh on straight.
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Good point Tipman. Before buying the expensive clips though, they are nothing but 1/2 conduit hangers that you can get from your local hardware store. I ordered the clips and when they got here I was p*ssed they charged me $15 for what I could get at lowes or home depot for $3-$4 for more than they sent.
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Good call, Tom.

I was thinking those clips looked familiar, although in all fairness, the ones I paid $15 for ARE very shiny. :)

If you never had a chance to RTFM, better now than never. Here you go:

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i just printed today with my first rollers.

got them from sben actually :)


i did not have clips (didn't know i could get the same thing at lowes... grrrr)

i did manage to get them straight, and got the frames straight.

tensioned with no meter, so just going by feel, but they are significantly tighter than my static aluminum's.

i know it's not scientific, but i can bounce a quarter to the ceiling off them :)

i learned real quick also, a torque wrench really is vital. harbor freight has a 1/2 inch drive torque for 20 bucks.

sooner or later i'll get the proper wrench... maybe... but for now, i'm using a 12" long handle crescent.. but probably going to weld a longer handle onto it for leverage.

i printed with them today and was pleased with how they worked. i haven't done a retention, but i did notice they were not as tight as a few days ago when i did them. but i saw in the manual tonight that you should retension after a few hours... im gonna do them again tomorrow.

like i said, no clue what my tension is, but it was tight. i did manage to rip one screen out of 4, overtensioned, and ripped the screen. i had enough mesh so i was still able to get all four done. but i was a little more hesitant after that.


to the OP... as far as screen life...

when i was at mindseye graphics last week, i was asking the same thing about the life of the mesh.... they pointed out a few pallets of rollers, still in use, that have had the mesh in them for over 10 years.
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the only thing that bothers me ...

is finding a tape that works for protecting the mesh, that can withstand the washout sink.


i tried using masking tape, of course that didn't hold up to the power washer.

i tried using clear packaging tape, that didn't hold up either.

i tried using packaging tape, and let it sit in the sun for a bit. nope, still lost it in the pressure washer.

i THOUGHT about duct tape... but haven't tried it yet.

i suppose i'm just going to break the bank and buy the Newman yellow tape.. but... does it really hold up for years. and withstand the pressure washer?
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