[birken]

Hello guys,

i am using ready designs plastisol for my tshirst and they are very plastici, i have heard some where is another paper is like a transparency film and the prints comes out like screen print feeling.

is that thru and what are they exactly called and were can find prints with a paper like that?

Warm regards Newbie

 

[TABOB]

There is no specific "screen print" feeling. Screen printing is a very diverse method.
There is plastisol, waterbased, discharge, and many variations of those.

My guess it that you are after those soft prints on cotton shirts you see at the shops, and feel just like the fabric.
Everyone would like those prints, but they are not possible with transfers.

You can have it on polyester shirts using sublimation transfers, but there are a lot of limitations there as well.

 

[PatWibble]

i have heard some where is another paper is like a transparency film and the prints comes out like screen print feeling.

is that thru and what are they exactly called and were can find prints with a paper like that?

Warm regards Newbie

You a probably refering to DST transfers. DST stands for Digital Screen Technology.
A full colour digital image is laser printed (in reverse) onto a transparent (or white) film and a white 'mask' is screen printed over the back.
When pressed the whole thing has the feel and durability of a screen printed transfer.

As yet the Danish company behind this method doesn't seem interested in moving this down from an industrial scale process to the small scale shops. They want to sell the complete printing line, not just the film and ink.

 

[TeedUp]

A full colour digital image is laser printed (in reverse) onto a transparent (or white) film and a white 'mask' is screen printed over the back.
When pressed the whole thing has the feel and durability of a screen printed transfer.

If I understand correctly, in comparison to a white toner laser transfer, essentially the benefit of DST is replacing the white toner undercoat with a screen printed undercoat, but the full color toner layer remains.

So, I'm having trouble imagining how "When pressed the whole thing has the feel and durability of a screen printed transfer."?

 

[TABOB]

If I understand correctly, in comparison to a white toner laser transfer, essentially the benefit of DST is replacing the white toner undercoat with a screen printed undercoat, but the full color toner layer remains.

It's actually white coating+adhesive powder (1st video), or
white coating+black coating+adhesive powder (2nd video).
It's not just regular plastisol though. It can be solvent based polyurethane (very stretchy), or waterbased acrylic.
It can even be a combination of the above, and the last two work much better than plastisol.

So, I'm having trouble imagining how "When pressed the whole thing has the feel and durability of a screen printed transfer."?

The wet ink is actually disolving/absorbing the toner.

 

[TeedUp]

Thank you, Professor Tabob. I'm not going to try to understand all of this now, and I had trouble following the videos (and I didn't get sound, I assume there wasn't any).

But are you saying one way is to use BOTH white coating PLUS black coating (plus adhesive)? What would be the point of the black coating?

 

[PatWibble]

But are you saying one way is to use BOTH white coating PLUS black coating (plus adhesive)? What would be the point of the black coating?

White for opacity/luminescence, black for a dye blocking layer on problem fabrics.

The ones I have used are very durable in the wash and have a better hand than plastisol or solvent transfer.

 

[TABOB]

But are you saying one way is to use BOTH white coating PLUS black coating (plus adhesive)? What would be the point of the black coating?

The black layer (it could be any color actually) is optional, for when you don't want a hard edge, but you don't want a white outline either.
You still need the white layer to make the colors pop, and the color layer for the outline.
As pat said, the carbon black in the black ink does help with dye migration as well.

 

[autobot]

You a probably refering to DST transfers. DST stands for Digital Screen Technology.
A full colour digital image is laser printed (in reverse) onto a transparent (or white) film and a white 'mask' is screen printed over the back.
When pressed the whole thing has the feel and durability of a screen printed transfer.

As yet the Danish company behind this method doesn't seem interested in moving this down from an industrial scale process to the small scale shops. They want to sell the complete printing line, not just the film and ink.

Well for small companies, if you consider the total costs of DST(including laser printing and labor), it isn't competitive with a decent DTF machine. So it makes sense they aim at large companies.