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I've just been in contact with a company to sell me some equipment to start my business. However, they tell me I need 4000$ to begin otherwise, I cannot print on black. I was under the impression that I could print on black - but, NOT PRINT WHITE.
Also, I thought I would not need a cutter if I used self-weeding paper. Can someone give me their thoughts here... I'm not sure if they are trying to oversell me equipment...
Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

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P!erre!
 

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Pierre. What is the printer that they suggested? Also, how could a design be produced on vinyl without a cutter?
The printer is epson inkjet. I've seen self-weeding paper on youtube where you didn't need to do any cutting. You had to retransfer the design on another paper that only absorbed the color... Have you seen those?
 

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Hello,

I've just been in contact with a company to sell me some equipment to start my business. However, they tell me I need 4000$ to begin otherwise, I cannot print on black. I was under the impression that I could print on black - but, NOT PRINT WHITE.
Also, I thought I would not need a cutter if I used self-weeding paper. Can someone give me their thoughts here... I'm not sure if they are trying to oversell me equipment...
Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

P!erre!
You are obviously talking about laser transfers.
Yes...you can print without white toner, but you will not be able to print white, or any colors containing white. For example pastel colors (including gradients).
Think of it this way... Toner is the glue. If you print red, you have enough glue, but if you print pink you don't. This is where white toner comes in. You print white bellow the pink, and then you have enough "glue".
 

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Guys, thanks a million...no...make that 2 millions...for all your replies (and keep them coming)... I have been at this the whole day - because I want everything to be ready AT LEAST for Xmas... It's not easy!
I have since found some interesting stuff on ebay - like, Epson C88 - which I have researched all over on this forum and, have found a lot of positive reviews. I also have to research the press - but, pls, keep replies rolling!
 

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Inkjet transfers for white shirts can be long lasting and low hand feel (not too heavy or thick). JPSS is the best known of these. It is not "self-weeding," but when used on a WHITE shirt, the transparent polymer it transfers to the shirt is not noticeable. You can see it a bit on an Ash Gray shirt. On a Heather Gray shirt it is quite obvious. Of course, since the shirt itself is providing the white of the image (the transfer polymer is transparent), any time you use a shirt that is not pure white you shift the tone of the entire image (just like printing on colored paper with an inkjet). So if using on an ash or pastel shirt you might want to trim around the design so you don't have an obvious square polymer window. But best is not to use these on anything other than white shirts.

There are inkjet papers made for dark shirts. These papers are thick and heavy and prone to cracking. They are not long for this life. They are opaque white, like a piece of paper (and some crinkle and crackle when worn, like a piece of paper). Any area not printed with ink will be the white of the paper. In most circumstances you would want to trim away all those unwanted white areas.

As others noted, there are various laser transfers that can self-weed for dark shirts. Some require a printer that can print white, some have a sheet that provides the white. While these may be somewhat better in durability and hand feel, they are still not long for this life compared to most any other type of garment decorating method, and will have a somewhat heavy hand. Perhaps worse, the papers (and if needed, white toner printers) are expensive and are somewhat finicky to use. You need a high quality accurate heat press, not Chinese junk. You need to waste some materials testing and getting your temperature and pressure dialed in. AND you need to create your art with the limitations of the media in mind. A lot of people have failed to get all of this to work. That is not to say that the process and materials are bad, only that it is not as easy as people think, and you can't do it on the cheap in terms of equipment, materials, or experimentation/learning.

There IS a self-weeding inkjet paper, ink, and process for black garments. However, it is still under development. Early results with its related products indicated that it is even more fussy and needy of extreme accuracy and control of temperature and pressure than the existing laser papers and process. Also, materials are expensive.

There isn't a cheap, high quality, easy to learn, durable way to print on dark shirts in low volumes. It's a matter of which set of problems is least bad for your circumstances and needs. DTG, inkjet transfers, laser transfers, solvent printed vinyl, Plastisol transfers, Plastisol screen printing, water base screen printing, discharge screen printing.
 

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Inkjet transfers for white shirts can be long lasting and low hand feel (not too heavy or thick). JPSS is the best known of these. It is not "self-weeding," but when used on a WHITE shirt, the transparent polymer it transfers to the shirt is not noticeable. You can see it a bit on an Ash Gray shirt. On a Heather Gray shirt it is quite obvious. Of course, since the shirt itself is providing the white of the image (the transfer polymer is transparent), any time you use a shirt that is not pure white you shift the tone of the entire image (just like printing on colored paper with an inkjet). So if using on an ash or pastel shirt you might want to trim around the design so you don't have an obvious square polymer window. But best is not to use these on anything other than white shirts.

There are inkjet papers made for dark shirts. These papers are thick and heavy and prone to cracking. They are not long for this life. They are opaque white, like a piece of paper (and some crinkle and crackle when worn, like a piece of paper). Any area not printed with ink will be the white of the paper. In most circumstances you would want to trim away all those unwanted white areas.

As others noted, there are various laser transfers that can self-weed for dark shirts. Some require a printer that can print white, some have a sheet that provides the white. While these may be somewhat better in durability and hand feel, they are still not long for this life compared to most any other type of garment decorating method, and will have a somewhat heavy hand. Perhaps worse, the papers (and if needed, white toner printers) are expensive and are somewhat finicky to use. You need a high quality accurate heat press, not Chinese junk. You need to waste some materials testing and getting your temperature and pressure dialed in. AND you need to create your art with the limitations of the media in mind. A lot of people have failed to get all of this to work. That is not to say that the process and materials are bad, only that it is not as easy as people think, and you can't do it on the cheap in terms of equipment, materials, or experimentation/learning.

There IS a self-weeding inkjet paper, ink, and process for black garments. However, it is still under development. Early results with its related products indicated that it is even more fussy and needy of extreme accuracy and control of temperature and pressure than the existing laser papers and process. Also, materials are expensive.

There isn't a cheap, high quality, easy to learn, durable way to print on dark shirts in low volumes. It's a matter of which set of problems is least bad for your circumstances and needs. DTG, inkjet transfers, laser transfers, solvent printed vinyl, Plastisol transfers, Plastisol screen printing, water base screen printing, discharge screen printing.
I have actually understood 95% of all you have said and, thank you. I have been going at this for over a months now - watching youtube, reading here and visiting sales sites...
 
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