Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turbo) Review

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into the T

Discussion Starter · Nov 23, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

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began testing out the joto one-4-all htv
(this is made in germany by poli-tape, and is also known as poli-flex turbo in europe or is also sold as thermoflex turbo)

cutting on cameo, had it dialed in after 2 test cuts
cameo settings: physical blade 2, digital blade (in studio cut settings window) 2
speed 3, force 9

cutting went groovy (check images for some of the smaller details)
weeding was quite impressive for such small details
it has been awhile since i used anything with a sticky carrier,
but it was not near as bad as easyweed (decent half-way point)
i still prefer non-sticky, but this was acceptable
had a few fine lines that i was not paying attention to and pulled them the wrong way, so at least i could re-stick them back
i also lost focus and weeded a fish pupil instead of the iris,
but simply re-stuck it

from the cutting and weeding it definitely felt like a quality product

the real joy of this vinyl is the press temp of 260F for 5 secs
it is only 55F less than our regular vinyl,
but it felt like the press was barely on (less risk of burnt hands/arms for those of you with clamshells)
warm peel so basically peel and re-press immediately
i used two different colors of vinyl (white and burgundy) and there was no dye migration from the bright orange shirt

variables i introduced for testing longevity:
- i did regular (sticky brush, pre-press w/parchment 5 secs, peel and re-press w/parchment 5-7 secs)
- i did no sticky, no pre-press
- i did layered
- the shirt had a 'mesh' part across the shoulder so i pressed a layered design there
- i left part of the design just off the platen, peeled and lifted that portion then re-pressed and re-pressed again
- used a brand new 100% poly shirt from a dept store, so it is coated with who knows what
- played with time (never under, but doubled press and re-press times)
- did one layer. moved onto other parts of the shirt, then came back and added second layer

the hand is very good, the double layered parts is more noticeable, but still nothing to balk at
they recommend up to 3 layers, and i would not go higher than that

washing/drying tests begin tomorrow, will keep thread updated

so far, very impressed

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into the T

Discussion Starter · #2 · Nov 23, 2017

Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

oops! misspelled turbo in the title
had to shift to left hand, and it is not listening to my brain
can somebody fix that please?

bwdesigns

· #3 · Nov 23, 2017 (Edited)

Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

I have used One-For-All from Joto plenty. I like it!

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tippy

· #4 · Nov 23, 2017

Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

I have been using One-4-all since Joto started carrying it and I love this stuff. It costs a little more than the Premium, but having just one roll of vinyl that will work on all garments is worth the small extra cost.

My favourite tee has been washed many times, and the One-4-all still looks great.

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into the T

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 6, 2017

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Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

update:

half dozen wash dry cycles, i have been using regular settings for both (warm wash/hot dry)
even though it should be cold wash, hang to dry or warm dry
but for testing it's nice to see how it holds up if people forget/just toss it in

so far so good, i was worried about the hot dry either wrinkling or lifting the vinyl,
but nothing yet
it will be interesting to see if the wash cycle ever starts to lift from the mesh holes outward,
or if the adhesive keeps its grip

i ended up adding a second layer over top of the design in the second photo above, hence the difference in coloring below

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bwdesigns

· #6 · Dec 6, 2017

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Thanks so much for doing all this research Edward! It helps more than you know.

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TrueNorthGear

· #7 · Dec 7, 2017

Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

Does the one-4-all have much stretch?

into the T

Discussion Starter · #8 · Dec 7, 2017

Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

yes, it has decent stretch
i pulled hard on it and it took it and rebounded nicely

i will check the stretch after a few more cycles and report back

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kostasfmx

· #9 · Dec 7, 2017

I live in Germany and I use the Joto / Poliflex since May 2017!
I have only one thing to say! Durability is great , stretch is amazing and also soft soft feeling! I have made also designs in polyester fitness t-shirt and was a success!The man have bought 12 t-shirt !
Also I have make more complicated design with Joto (4 colors / 4 lhayers) and is also super !

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into the T

Discussion Starter · #10 · Dec 8, 2017

Re: Joto One-4-All (aka thermoflex turobo) Review

thanks for chiming in kostas,
long time-no post, i hope all is well with you
(from our perspective it looked like germany was in a bit of cultural turmoil)

kostasfmx

· #11 · Dec 8, 2017

into the T said:
thanks for chiming in kostas,
long time-no post, i hope all is well with you
(from our perspective it looked like germany was in a bit of cultural turmoil)

Hello there Into the T !All is so far so good and suddenly (last 5 weeks) I started sell T-shirts online that's why I was away for a bit!
I have time management issues know because I have a full-time job together with my T-shirt company!
I need upgrade my equipment if continue like this!
The Vinyl transfer like I said is super ,also the JPSS but I lost time placement the designsto T-shirt also peeling the vinyl (15 minutes pro design) ! I was thinking buy also a laser printer with white ink or DTG...but till the big decision I control how my sales is going!

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into the T

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 8, 2017 (Edited)

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kostasfmx said:
Hello there Into the T !All is so far so good and suddenly (last 5 weeks) I started sell T-shirts online that's why I was away for a bit!
I have time management issues know because I have a full-time job together with my T-shirt company!
I need upgrade my equipment if continue like this!
The Vinyl transfer like I said is super ,also the JPSS but I lost time placement the designsto T-shirt also peeling the vinyl (15 minutes pro design) ! I was thinking buy also a laser printer with white ink or DTG...but till the big decision I control how my sales is going!

your other option if you get too busy is to use pre-printed plastisol transfers,
then it is just a quick press (no weeding) and no huge outlay of cash
i did some quick trials just yesterday and found i got much better and consistent results on 50/50 blends than 100% cottons
it turned out really nice on the heather blends,
if the design has large solid elements the hand does suffer compared to a good pu vinyl though

there are some tips/tricks to speed weeding
if you want i can look at your designs, and offer any suggestions

did you see this post on how to quickly center designs using the t-shirt hems?

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DaveSmithe

· #13 · Dec 29, 2017

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into the T said:
yes, it has decent stretch
i pulled hard on it and it took it and rebounded nicely

i will check the stretch after a few more cycles and report back

Hey Edward ... how are you liking the Joto HTV? Is it still holding up well?

into the T

Discussion Starter · #14 · Dec 29, 2017

hi Dave,
i was just thinking of updating after my next wash/dry, which would make a baker's dozen

my wife is on to me and is wondering why i am doing so much laundry,
so i have had to be more conservative in my laundry timing
i'll post up some updated pics in a couple of days

hoping for the best in the New Year for you and yours

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DaveSmithe

· #15 · Dec 29, 2017

Thanks Edward! And same to you and your family!

into the T

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 3, 2018

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ok, we now have 13 wash/dry cycles

i've washed it with jeans, towels, t-shirts and everything in-between

still no wrinkling or lifting issues, and the hand is very nice (like the premium it gets even better after a few wash/dry cycles)
the layered is still adhering well (i always do a second press with parchment),
and the presses over the mesh and over the extra printed dots are adhering just fine

this sample tee is now, like my vinyl sample tee, always part of regular laundry
so i will update after it gets over 25+ cycles

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DaveSmithe

· #17 · Jan 3, 2018

Thanks Edward for the update! We are ordering this week (I hope) and by your reaction to it and the posts - looks like it may be our go to vinyl as well. We shall see

You mentioned this was on a poly shirt ... have you tested it on a 50/50 or 100% cotton? We typically do 100% cotton, but a little higher quality - Bella and Next Level so far - rignspun/higher singles - and some of the Gildan softstyle.

Looking forward to doing some tests on these fabrics.

Thanks again for all your contributions on the forum!

into the T

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 3, 2018

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i ordered some black today for testing on our regular tees with this and should have some tests started next week
we always use heathers or dry-blends, so unfortunately you are on your own with the 100% cotton

looking forward to those trials, i think i might integrate that chalk-board brush trick
as it worked so well on my joto/thermoflex/poli-tape premium/plus vinyl test (turquoise design)
my best guess is the tee below is up around 60 wash/dry cycles, still no wrinkling or lifting, and soft hand
the other vinyls are all showing lifting and/or wrinkling

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FLEXYOURFAITH

· #19 · Jan 5, 2018

into the T said:
weeding was quite impressive for such small details
it has been awhile since i used anything with a sticky carrier,
but it was not near as bad as easyweed (decent half-way point)
i still prefer non-sticky, but this was acceptable

EasyWeed isn't so easy, BUT compared to Stahl's (especially black) Fashion Film, it's like butter. So if this is even easier than Siser's Easy Weed, SIGN US UP!

the real joy of this vinyl is the press temp of 260F for 5 secs
it is only 55F less than our regular vinyl,
but it felt like the press was barely on (less risk of burnt hands/arms for those of you with clamshells)

Are you kidding me...260 degrees to fully bond with the substrate/shirt? That's so impressive, no more ruining temperamental rayon or polyester; you could basically breathe on that and melt it to the shirt lol!

warm peel so basically peel and re-press immediately

Double press - got it! We do this anyway to be safe. We'd seriously have to train ourselves to think 5-10 seconds was enough for full bonding/adhesion to the apparel, we'd feel like we weren't doing it long or hot enough.

i used two different colors of vinyl (white and burgundy) and there was no dye migration from the bright orange shirt

That's great! We've had some issues, but so far it's really only been the apparel (Pennant Sportswear has some issues) that has migrated, not our materials.

so far, very impressed

WINNING! I'm along for the ride on this one! THANKS

How does this play-nice with casual (cotton, rayon, 50/50, and tri-blend) and performance wear (spandex, polyester) individually?

into the T

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jan 5, 2018 (Edited)

i received my vinyl delivery today, so i will begin trials on a 50/50 heather casual tee today
(hat-tip to joto, this was our first purchase from them and we received it in a day, our last few suppliers were min. 7 days)

tri-blends/rayon i am not sure, hit up joto or specialty materials for a sample and test it
i seem to recall the tri-blends had a burning issue with vinyls, so this would alleviate that
as far as initial adhesion and longevity???
i'll send a query to my contact at joto and see if he has any insight

as an aside (since you mentioned it in the other thread) the white vinyl above is tdf

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