Jet-Pro SofStretch transfer background turning blue after wash.

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Kasam

Discussion Starter · Feb 28, 2014

Hi,

I am having an Issue with the jetpro soft stretch transfer paper. I am using white gildan heavy cotton t shirts.I press them at 190 for 30 seconds and than repress for 7 second using a telfon sheet as instructed. The results are very good and the image transferred is clear. However when I put it through the wash on a low setting and let it dry the transfer image background goes all light blue.

I have tried washing it without washing power and still get this light blue background on the transfer. I have read online and thought this may be because not enough pressure is being applied. So I adjusted the heat press were it is very hard to close making sure there is enough pressure but I'm still facing this problem after wash with the transfer background turning blue?

I have tried turning the heat up to 200 and pressing at 35 seconds but still having the same issue

I also have printed on dark black t shirts using the opaque transfers and have not had a problem with any colors fading or bleeding so i'm quite confused on what to do?

I am Using Epson 1500w with original owl inks which are dye based.

The heat press I am using is HP3804

Any idea what could be the problem or what I could be doing wrong? has this ever happened to you? I urgently look forward to your replies. Thank You

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mgparrish

· #2 · Feb 28, 2014

Kasam said:
Hi,

I am having an Issue with the jetpro soft stretch transfer paper. I am using white gildan heavy cotton t shirts.I press them at 190 for 30 seconds and than repress for 7 second using a telfon sheet as instructed. The results are very good and the image transferred is clear. However when I put it through the wash on a low setting and let it dry the transfer image background goes all light blue.

I have tried washing it without washing power and still get this light blue background on the transfer. I have read online and thought this may be because not enough pressure is being applied. So I adjusted the heat press were it is very hard to close making sure there is enough pressure but I'm still facing this problem after wash with the transfer background turning blue?

I have tried turning the heat up to 200 and pressing at 35 seconds but still having the same issue

I also have printed on dark black t shirts using the opaque transfers and have not had a problem with any colors fading or bleeding so i'm quite confused on what to do?

I am Using Epson 1500w with original owl inks which are dye based.

The heat press I am using is HP3804

Any idea what could be the problem or what I could be doing wrong? has this ever happened to you? I urgently look forward to your replies. Thank You

Your problem is obvious you are using dye ink. For good wash results you need pigments ink as dye inks bleed and fade in the wash.

The opaque paper might be handling the dye inks better, but likely you are using cold water wash for the black t-shirt since the black t-shirt itself needs a cold wash to keep the black color from fading out.

Dye inks will can still fade and bleed out even in cold wash just that warmer water makes the fade and bleed happen easier.

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Kasam

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 28, 2014

Hi, thanks for the quick reply although expert state pigment last longer and more resistance to fading when washed.

I know people who are using dye based inks and have not had this problem hence why I choose to go with the printer in the first place after watching their tutorials on youtube. But I am going to get a ciss system and start using pigment inks

The inks that come with the epson 1500w are owl inks which is part of the claria ink range. These are quick drying water and scratch resistance.

I know from research pigment is better but i'm just wondering why others who are using dye based ink and the same printer as me are not having this problem when they print on white t shirts? I have seen their results also :/

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mgparrish

· #4 · Feb 28, 2014

Kasam said:
Hi, thanks for the quick reply although expert state pigment last longer and more resistance to fading when washed.

I know people who are using dye based inks and have not had this problem hence why I choose to go with the printer in the first place after watching their tutorials on youtube. But I am going to get a ciss system and start using pigment inks

The inks that come with the epson 1500w are owl inks which is part of the claria ink range. These are quick drying water and scratch resistance.

I know from research pigment is better but i'm just wondering why others who are using dye based ink and the same printer as me are not having this problem when they print on white t shirts? I have seen their results also :/

Anyone using dye inks will have bleed and fade. Dyes are always water soluble and pigments are actual solids, very small particles in fact.

Many are fooled into thinking dyes are not causing them a problem as often the ink that bleeds is washed out during the rinse cycle and not seen... but none the less the ink can bleed out and not be noticed. Over time this gradual bleed out and rinse away is really what happens when dye inks transfers fade gradually over time.

Anyone telling you that dyes are good are incorrect, if you do a soak test you will find all dye inks fail this test.

Some people put garments in a hot wash. Also some use an extended "soak" cycle, or just leave the garment sitting in the washer a long time forgetting about it before drying, you cannot control this.

Also, active people perspire and the sweat is not room temperature, t-shirts made with dye inks can actually bleed while the active person is wearing the t-shirt.

The soak test ...

To test the shirt, dunk it in HOT water, then lay on a flat surface, (in the bath tub) and fold the image over onto the blank part of the shirt. Press it down firmly with your hands
and let it set for 30 to 60 minutes. Does the ink bleed/run onto the area where the transfer was folded over to? This is an accepted test for all inks. If the inks are going to ever bleed, they should bleed in this test.

Good pigment inks pass this test, this means that for a white t-shirt you can wash in hot water and even let it soak in the machine and not worry about customer complaints.

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BobR

· #5 · Feb 28, 2014

I am amazed at all the false Information that some 'experts' put on YouTube.

All you need is a cheap camera that will shoot video and all of a sudden you're an expert.

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Kasam

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 1, 2014

BobR said:
I am amazed at all the false Information that some 'experts' put on YouTube.

All you need is a cheap camera that will shoot video and all of a sudden you're an expert.

When refering to expert I meant the actual company producing the inks such as epson etc not youtubers!

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mgparrish

· #7 · Mar 1, 2014

Kasam said:
When refering to expert I meant the actual company producing the inks such as epson etc not youtubers!

What I have found out over the years is that ink vendors and heat transfer paper manufacturers won't explicitly state that only pigment inks should be used.

Yes one can use dye inks and they will print and transfer, but vendors won't come out and say dye inks shouldn't be used.

My opinion on this is that if you are a ink or paper vendor their thinking it may not be in their best financial interest to specify inks and printers so narrowly that those already with dye based printers would be excluded giving the ink or paper vendor a more limited sales base.

To me this is poor thinking long term since their repeat customers would be the successful ones, however, seems some sales oriented people and companies only "live in the moment".

Those "experts" rarely do any kind of meaningful wash and soak testing. If they see the transfer looks good initially they might only do a wash or 2 in cold water and deem it OK for longevity.

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BobR

· #8 · Mar 1, 2014

This is from the Coastal web site;

"Our Jet-Pro SofStretch heat transfer paper works best with inkjet printers using pigment ink and a heat press."

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mgparrish

· #9 · Mar 1, 2014

BobR said:
This is from the Coastal web site;

"Our Jet-Pro SofStretch heat transfer paper works best with inkjet printers using pigment ink and a heat press."

Some of them do "get it".

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cajunhillbilly

· #10 · Mar 2, 2014

I have used jpss paper and pigment ink with an Epson workforce 7010 for 2 years and have not had any problems.

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