[ck65]

First, I want to say that I have had some thoughtful and kind responses to the questions I have asked in these forums. However, I have noticed that other people have not been so lucky. Some people in here would rather be rude and belittle someone for asking what they considered to be a stupid question or something that they feel others can research for themselves. Googling and reading and all that good stuff is only part of the research process.

No matter what you are researching asking the experts, or at least those with more experience, is one step of many in the research process. We all come to this forum with different backgrounds and experiences. I'm assuming we either want help or you want to provide help or are just here to share stories and see what others are doing. But what we should not be here for is to belittle other people. That's what Facebook is for.

As a newbie myself I come in here with a lot of self-doubt. I don't have any design experience and I don't have a lot of money. I just have a desire to make a little money, maybe eventually more than a little, and have fun doing it. After seeing some of the work that the more experienced do, not only here in this forum but in others that I'm involved in, I experienced a lot of self-doubt. But then I just had to remind myself that I'm not here to compete with others, I'm here to find my own path, to find my own little spot in this wide sea of t-shirt printing.

Anyway I'm not here to rant. I just wanted to share a little bit about how I feel when I read others belittling people for asking a question. If you really feel like it's a stupid question please just ignore it and move on. Is that really why you came here, to belittle others? Is not helpful, it's not funny, and, I was raised, and I teach my kids, that if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut.

I think I can speak for all newbies when I say thank you for the wisdom that is shared in these forums.

Have a blessed day!

 

[webtrekker]

Firstly, a question such as 'How do I print t-shirts' is, in my mind, a stupid question not deserving of anyone taking the time and trouble (unpaid!) to answer it.

People should at least come in here with some basic knowledge and then they will ask reasonable questions and get reasonable answers. There are literally THOUSANDS of youtube videos about t-shirt printing so there's no excuse for not doing a little research before asking more in-depth questions. These 'experts' that you speak of are simply members who have invested a lot of time, effort and money in building up their businesses and are not always willing to hand all their knowledge away on a plate to any Tom, **** and Harry unless they are prepared to put in some effort of their own.

(Rant not over, as I expect this might become a hot topic!). 🙂

 

[seacookie]

I am on this with Webtrekker regarding questions like:How do I print t-shirts. Before I joined this forum i was youtubing about t-shirts at least for half a year and I was just reading this forum without having account for half a year.

And I don't know why but I just roll with my eyes when I see question like that. To me that shows, that individual is not willing to put the effort to research about business and I sure I am not his or her mama to hold him by hand and guide him step by step and lazy member can just sit and expect others to waste their time=life for them.

Not to be confused. I love to help so I can give community back like many helped me and still do, but not to those which are just drinking energy from others. After all, helping is giving energy. And if that member is not willing to put their energy to their business, why should I?

Usually I can stop myself from posting in that kinda threads, but sometime they caught me off guard after I have hard day and I just can't help my self....

Do your homework and I would love to help. Be lazy and expect everything from me you ain't getting nothing from me. I hate energy leeches. Simple.

 

[splathead]

I want to see rude or belittling posts. When you see one, please hit the Want to help keep T-ShirtForums great? - Please use the Report Bad Post Feature button and report it to us.

 

[PatWibble]

We all try to be as helpful as we can be but it can be very wearing. I have lost count of the number of times I have replied at length to a newbie, often asking a question that has been asked dozens of times before, only to find they never log onto the forum again.

 

[EPRCVINYLS]

Trust me you will have rude people everywhere you go, I'm a member on several sites dealing with another hobby of mine and most of the time you just get the ones who ask the same questions already been asked millions of times and you know the person hasn't even googled it at all otherwise they would already know..
the examples of how do i make a t shirt... yeah utube videos you can watch for a week. now you might not find the exact thing your looking for. But if you come asking such a plain question everyone will know you haven't done any research yourself.
I try to be helpful when i can and give a link to where its been answered or i just ignore it. my mamma always said if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

 

[ck65]

Firstly, a question such as 'How do I print t-shirts' is, in my mind, a stupid question not deserving of anyone taking the time and trouble (unpaid!) to answer it.

People should at least come in here with some basic knowledge and then they will ask reasonable questions and get reasonable answers. There are literally THOUSANDS of youtube videos about t-shirt printing so there's no excuse for not doing a little research before asking more in-depth questions. These 'experts' that you speak of are simply members who have invested a lot of time, effort and money in building up their businesses and are not always willing to hand all their knowledge away on a plate to any Tom, **** and Harry unless they are prepared to put in some effort of their own.

(Rant not over, as I expect this might become a hot topic!). 🙂

I can't say that I disagree, I have watched hundreds of Youtube videos.
However, if someone IS going to take the (unpaid) time to respond. They should do so with kindness. Otherwise, it is unhelpful and just plain rude. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ck65]

Trust me you will have rude people everywhere you go, I'm a member on several sites dealing with another hobby of mine and most of the time you just get the ones who ask the same questions already been asked millions of times and you know the person hasn't even googled it at all otherwise they would already know..
the examples of how do i make a t shirt... yeah utube videos you can watch for a week. now you might not find the exact thing your looking for. But if you come asking such a plain question everyone will know you haven't done any research yourself.
I try to be helpful when i can and give a link to where its been answered or i just ignore it. my mamma always said if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

Yes, I'm aware, I called someone out for his rudeness on another forum. I think a lot of people just don't know how to word their questions well enough to get the response they want. To be frank, these people aren't likely to succeed anyway. Communication is a big part of being able to succeed.

It takes the same amount of time to respond nicely as it does to respond rudely. And as pointed out earlier - it is "unpaid" time, so why bother wasting it by being rude?

Someone could come back and say, well it's a waste of my time reading stupid questions. Sure it is, but it is also your choice. It's a choice one should make freely and without regret, if they happen to come across a "stupid" questions. It just makes things more pleasant for those reading, asking, and responding.

 

[ck65]

Thanks for responding. If nothing else, maybe a newbie will read this and think twice before asking a question before searching for the answer first. I know I spend several hours searching for an answer before asking - most of the time. Read an entire thread - like 9 pages long - before asking my first question. The thread had great information but it was several years old - things can change a lot in several years.

webtrekker, I didn't intend for this to become a hot topic so I hope it doesn't. For those who do like to respond in a rude manner - this probably won't change how they are. But, who knows, nothing ever changes when people stay silent.

 

[PatWibble]

I have no problem with repetitive questions. It is part of being on a forum and we are here to help. What annoys is the newbies who ask a long question on their introductory post and never respond to the answers, and are never heard from again. This is a forum, not a customer service desk where we are obliged to respond. We respond because we want to.



The worst forum for not helping newbies is the 'Serif' software one. There are a couple of guys on there with 30k+ posts - most of them saying 'this has been asked before - search the forum'. I always feel like I am invading a private chat room when I log on to there.

 

[ck65]

I have no problem with repetitive questions. It is part of being on a forum and we are here to help. What annoys is the newbies who ask a long question on their introductory post and never respond to the answers, and are never heard from again. This is a forum, not a customer service desk where we are obliged to respond. We respond because we want to.



The worst forum for not helping newbies is the 'Serif' software one. There are a couple of guys on there with 30k+ posts - most of them saying 'this has been asked before - search the forum'. I always feel like I am invading a private chat room when I log on to there.

Then the newbie has to search through those thousands of responses just to find the answer. A nice answer would save a lot of time for everyone involved it seems.

 

[webtrekker]

The worst forum for not helping newbies is the 'Serif' software one. There are a couple of guys on there with 30k+ posts - most of them saying 'this has been asked before - search the forum'. I always feel like I am invading a private chat room when I log on to there.

A bit like Stackexchange.

 

[EPRCVINYLS]

Yeah well it happens. I tried to ask how others got out there and some just advised i get a regular job... That isn't what i asked and nothing to do with going forward in Vinyl business.

 

[djque]

On another site dirtbike related I wanted to know how to do something and when I googled it, it took me back to that site that had 500 post replies so read pretty much all 500. I still didn't understand it but I also learned other stuff from reading it. When I asked the question and put I read all 500+ post from 2010 they was like really. Well do it this way and it worked. I didn't want to seem lazy so I read it.
Post people hate to answer

How much should I charge
I got a tshirt order for 400 tshirts how do iI print this.

By the way I just brought a brand new embroidery machine in January and do a lotof reading before I ask a question. But I am on the site for newbies and another one there really helpful and its cool. I have seen people say I got a hat order for 1000 hats that's due friday help I just got my machine in new to this
My needle keeps breaking
My thread breaks
How do I do 3d puff
How do I hoop the hat
My design is not centered
What to charge
And so on. I myself ask why would you take a order that you have no knowledge of doing why. Pretty much everyone will agree with me.

 

[seacookie]

This is probably the most replied Member Introductions ever

 

[sben763]

This is probably the most replied Member Introductions ever

Not even close yet! http://www.t-shirtforums.com/member-introductions/?daysprune=-1&order=desc&sort=replycount

 

[seacookie]

I myself ask why would you take a order that you have no knowledge of doing why. Pretty much everyone will agree with me.

I would take a order and outsource it.