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Hi Im pretty new to the tshirt printing business and Im looking at getting a DTG printer imported from china. I have read a few post on this forum recommending a company called SpringSun tech. Has any one had any dealing with this chinese manufacturer? Their pricing seems to be reasonalble and the printers looks well made with a years warrenty and support. However I have also read horror stories with some companies in China and Im abit worried by this. Could any one give me their advise about importing a DTG printer from china and where the best place to start would be?

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I have been in this biz since 1997. I have owned a DTG, do laser printing, sublimation, heat press vinyl and there is NO WAY I would import a Chinese printer. Trust me there will be issues with ANY DTG printer when just starting. Having support and training available at purchase and after sale support. A DTG printer is not like a desk top printer...plug and play. It is a bit more complicated. If it does black garments, learning the pretreatment is an art and mistakes are costly, so is white ink. You should not pretreat in the same room as the printer. Also important is temp and humidity in the room.
In the case of buying a Chinese printer things to consider:
....where do you get initial training...crazy to go alone as as a beginner
....what printer engine...is it nearing end of production
....if you don't know Chinese communication can be a problem
....what about parts..even if available what about shipping
....what inks does the unit use
....have you held a sample of the print? All DTG prints are not the same
....what if the unit arrives broken or non functional...who pays to ship back

So best I can suggest is to do diligent study before the purchase
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Hi,

I have had my dtg for 3 weeks. And every other day at present i am on the phone to tech support. It is a hard beast to learn on your own ,and having learnt a mug press from a dvd. I can only say that was hard enough.
So ok you are saving a shed load of money . But you are on your own and believe me it is hard going. There is the software to learn . All the different t shirt modes ect. Its hard.
I bought DTG from Spring Sun just four weeks back! I did search this forum and lots of manufacturers and their products. I checked about this co thru friends who have offices in China and came back positive. So, after considering 'most available factors and issues', I ordered. I had to wire money and they confirmed receiving it. They shipped the machine within three weeks after that by DHL in wooden crate. Everything well secured. After uncrating, got set up DTG without major problems. Software they provided was iProof for RIP which is very good.
Now, after set up started printing without any problems. One mistake I made was that did not start printing dark color with white Ink right away and that created series of problems. First white nozzles clogged. They sent self explaining video showing how to and that was good. Managed that. Wasn't careful doing that and self created few more problems. But they always sent video in real time along with pics to resolve errors and problems. Got back running and also taught a lot.
Since this I have followied similar thigs/errors in this forum. Many were frustrated as eirher they did not get support for their local purchase or didn't know to cal at mfg tech support. Even today, I can see that many explanations given to local brand name were not for new DTG owners, you have to have knowledge to some extent. So, many frustrations here. Where as I did get video showing how to. They do have english speaking people.
Now, their equipment was less than 5k verses 20+ here. Their ink system is bulk cartridges which you can pour. Uses DuPont (USA) Inks. So far have not needed parts, they said they will ship at no charge for first year. Gave me part lists when I requested. I also found out that they use same technologies as many brand you will see in the forum. So, all the questions and answers are for this DTG as well.
As far as choice goes it is yours to make. Very little investment or big and wait for returns. If you are technical, want to invest little and get going, may think very hard. Though no training, or local tech support, I didn't need any. Learned by self. And can print T's about 240 to 280 in 8 hours. I will recoup in little over 3 weeks.
So, think and decide for youself.........
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Shashin....glad to hear of your support of the unit in question...my comments remain..JMHO...I am somewhat experienced...with graphics and DTG...But I must say that I seriously question your math...you say 240 up to 280 shirts in 8 hours....that means you are doing either 30 or 35 shirts an hour....30 shirt an hour...x 8 hours is 240...in the 8 hour period...so that means you print one shirt every 2 minutes...that would count the pre press, the placing on the platen and using your rip...and print..pull off and lay aside......just does not compute as very likely for a full day

I still say a beginner should not try to buy from China and think they are going to plug and play...again JMHO

I checked their listing at
Direct to T-shirt Printer - Detailed info for Direct to T-shirt Printer,Direct to T-shirt Printer garment printer cloth printer heat press printing on t shirt,Direct to T-shirt Printer,DFP-08FZ on Alibaba.com and it shows the DFP 08FZ at 2 prices...one is $5500 and the other is $6000...so which is correct...and google shows their website as mysunspring.com...does not load...huummm...does not give one much faith
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Charles: I am not here to prove anything. For me pricing was important for first DTG. I paid 4650.00. All brands will negotiate, even here and/or reduce price. Yes, we did produce nos I stated. As my heat press, DTG and computer are located within proximity, I pre heat, load and start printing within same time frame. RIp is already done and only button to pust is start/reprint. (I am printing the same design in multiples of 24 pcs). While shirt is being printed, or heat pressed, other activities like pre and laying and arranging goes on.
And checking with all other brands, and their math, I did not see any difference in production rate. Yes, you are right that if not planned and thought out production won't be there. As I learned (and still learning), for volume and same design screen printing is best at this time. For quick and fewer pieces, DTG. For white on Dark I will choose screen printing.
And, For technically connected person, I will think of this machine. Otherwise, go local! Support depends upon how often one needs help and when.
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HI
I would appreciate your help with my dilemma I dropped my computer with the setup software for running the springsun 08A2 t-shirt printer. I did not set up the printer myself.
I need another copy of the software, I can supply photos serial numbers if required for the dfp 08 fz.
I am getting some response from SpringSun.
Hey: Contact Jason at Spring Sun and he will help out, If you need to install RIP s/w, you will need st up no and only he can supply for your specific computer. I can upload s/w but it would not work until you put in the computer specific key that only he can supply.
Shashin, what is the model of the DTG you got?
Don't buy a Springsun printer !

I bought a Springsun printer from Jason & Shirley at the factory.

The build quality is terrible, and here are just a few things they don't tell you:

- You can't print directly from photoshop, illustrator or any other standard software.
- Printer only works with their own rip-software.
- Rip software only works with a USB dongle
- Printer only connects with a pc through a USB port, so you need two dedicated ports on your pc to print.
- When you have an issue with the printer they send you instructions and videos with screen shots in Chineese ! Impossible to figure out what is what since layout is not the same as in English.
- No warranty on the product. If it doesnt' work, like mine, you have to pay.
- Shirley and Jason are sales reps. They are nice until they receive the money, after that they have zero incentive to help you, no matter what problem you have.

If you still want a printer, you are wellcome to buy mine.

It never really worked. After a few test prints it is now permanently stuck in "Remove Paper" setting.
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A few things to mention:

* Most DTG printers will not print directly from applications. The RIP is usually required because it is what processing the artwork into a format the printer can understand.

* RIP software is expensive to develop. To protect the programmer's market, a dongle is required for many RIP programs.

* Many printers only have USB functionality, and since many RIP programs need a dongle, using 2 USB ports is normal.

* Importing Chinese hardware has been known to be risky for language and manual translation reasons for almost 20 years. Before buying ANY expensive hardware from ANY reseller, always demand a manual up front. Always.

I'm sorry you're having problems with your printer. Did you get any sort of training done? Even with DTG printers built in the US, people have problems. This is why training is so important.
My Spring Sun flat bed printer DFP-08FZ from china has been three+ years old. I had good experience. Made my $$ many times over investment.
Their software is at no charge. They gave it to me computer specific. If I change computer, will give another key. All mfg in USA would give for a year or more. I never had trouble getting answers or help from them. Of course it is via emails or Skype. They will send pics and instructions.
Now, most people getting in DTG must be mechanically inclined. As you can read from numerous issues in the forum, most get frustrated when they can't do anything till....Also, one must have constant flow of work to keep ink flowing and especially white. Clogging, cleaning and error msgs are very common.
T-shirt forums has been very helpful for searching and fixing usual errors. Or go to U-tube. They have almost every video one can imagine.
And, no matter what brand one gets, problems and issues are there and everybody do not have instant solutions. So, be careful when investing hard earned money.
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I sooo agree with previous posts! My partner and I just bought an Anajet DTG about 3 mos ago and we are still working through issues. If it weren't for Gabe in technical support we would have seriously considered selling the printer as we were really struggling. We have both been in the industry for many years and we aren't stupid but there are a lot of quirks with these printers and you really need someone to walk you through problems. There is no way we could have done this with a Chinese company and our training at Anajet was critical! Not only would you be dealing with the language barrier but the time difference would be a drag as well. Of course, this is all my opinion but I would highly suggest going with a company that you can reach with ease. I would also suggest that you research all the threads on DTG's and issues on the forum, it has been a wonderful source of information and problem solving for us. Best of luck!!
^^^This is all too true.

Too often, people purchase a DTG printer thinking it's plug-and-play-and-print-and-profit. It isn't.

If you jump too quickly, you can also quickly ruin a great printer. Once ink is in the printer, it has to be maintained perfectly, EVERY DAY. If you put in white ink, you have to print with it daily, and do perfect maintenance.

So if you don't have training before you initialize your printer, you may end up with a box of parts.

I have no connection nor familiarity with Springsun, but I've seen Chinese printers before. They're usually clones of other printers. More often than not, they'll work fine if you're mechanically inclined and do a LOT of homework before initializing the ink through the printer.
I think, we should have an article, who should buy or not buy a DTG! LOL. We live in a country of instant gratification. No patience, whatsoever. There are barriers in language. But, most of my Q and A were via emails/Skype. And help was most of the time overnight. And there were answers that I could use and run.
They don't have training or any videos. How many brand give you service or field manuals? I found some to buy, but not free. Of course China don't make most 'original' equipment anyway. Also, most DTG are Epson base printer (modified) anyway. I have seen almost all at various shows and function identically. You can say this from very similar error codes (all Epson)!!!
Like we all say in previous posts, DTG is not plug and play. Unless one is committed to it, your investment of 20+k is not so good. You will need consumables (ink, clng supply, etc), parts and how to which is tormenting and frustrating to many.
Think before getting in DTG...it is a journey!
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I think, we should have an article, who should buy or not buy a DTG! LOL. We live in a country of instant gratification. No patience, whatsoever. There are barriers in language. But, most of my Q and A were via emails/Skype. And help was most of the time overnight. And there were answers that I could use and run.
They don't have training or any videos. How many brand give you service or field manuals? I found some to buy, but not free. Of course China don't make most 'original' equipment anyway. Also, most DTG are Epson base printer (modified) anyway. I have seen almost all at various shows and function identically. You can say this from very similar error codes (all Epson)!!!
Like we all say in previous posts, DTG is not plug and play. Unless one is committed to it, your investment of 20+k is not so good. You will need consumables (ink, clng supply, etc), parts and how to which is tormenting and frustrating to many.
Think before getting in DTG...it is a journey!
Very true! We are a society with little patience. A DTG is a significant investment and anyone who takes the leap should be in it for the long haul. I will say, though, that despite a few bumps in the road, Anajet's technical support and particularly the support we have received from Gabe is probably one of the reasons they are one of the top companies in the industry. There are absolutely companies that provide support and manuals and training, they are hard to find but they do exist. :)
Importing from China saves you $6000 because that's the money used by local companies to test the equipment, write manuals and answer support calls.
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DTG printers made in China are much more cheaper if you find a trusted manufacturer.
Says the man with many names. Of course there cheaper from China. Everything from China is cheaper. Buy cheap and cheap is what you will get.
DTG printers made in China are much more cheaper if you find a trusted manufacturer.
Cheaper is not always better. If you are starting a business, do yourself a favor and invest wisely. There are many threads on TSF about the different DTG's. Take the time to read them and do your due diligence before taking the plunge. And, I would strongly suggest that if you do decided to go forward with a machine from China that before you do, you find a tech here that can work on it. That is critical to your success!
It does not matter where you buy from. Before (and after as well) my purchase, I read and also talked to many resourceful and informative people, that service is just about what one expects. While overseas has it's drawbacks, domestic has not been that great either. When one mazes thru the call, you rarely get real person right away. And then when you complain in the forum, they will say call me!!!
Anyway, you tube has been fabulous. Just type in your issue and there are numerous videos. If you are mechanically inclined, you can get your problem resolved. I saved more than 15k buy importing from china. You can buy many things with that kind of savings. Ofcourse, nothing will beat on hands demo or start up.
I have seen with some on the field owners, when they have problem or issue, domestic supplier sent them new printer (originally they spent close to 30k). When that failed, they sent third one. And have not picked up other two as of this writing (which is more than two years). Now you do the math. Who is charging more for what it is worth.
This is not to put domestic brand down. Most of the time, within reasonable limit, would prefer local brand any day. Not only it supports our made in USA, quality and service, jobs as well. However, most components and main engine is made in Japan anyway (for DTG). So, think a lot before investing.
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