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I honestly have never heard of this pre treat until right now.
I did some research on there website but it does not mention if it is compatible with the DTG M2 inks.

I use the ink directly from coldesi. Coleman and company.
it only mentions brother and epson.

Will this pre treat be compatible with this ink? It is interesting and looks like it is worth trying
 

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What makes it so good?
I get good results from what I use now.
It does seem to yellow certian shirts and you can over or under spray.

Is it just that you can't seem to overspray?
Colors better?
Yelowing of the shirts?

These are the claims.
They sponser this forum though so I doubt there would be anything negitive on here.
Anybody have a bad or average experience with it?

I am gonna try it
Expensive though but so is the whole DTG Business
 

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http://www.t-shirtforums.com/dtg-pretreatment/t229847.html

Go look through the above thread and you will see the proof of how good IA is.

They sponsor this forum though so I doubt there would be anything negative on here.
Not all comments are positive about IA, for example there are times we have issues with the IA light and bleeding on certain shirts and I have mentioned it in the forums.

Brian Walker (IA owner) is one of the best and most helpful people in the dtg business and I can assure if the product was not good it would not be on the market.

We have been doing dtg for 2.5 years and started with DuPont pt and it was a constant battle to get good consistent prints. Switched to IA when it first came out and haven't looked back since. Today I can take someone and spend two hours with them training them on how to pt and print on our neoflex and leave them to do it with a 95%+ success rate.

Any product is going to have some issues-there is not a perfect product out there for anything. But I can assure you if the new ultra from IA is as good as IA dark and light-- Brian is a "Triple Crown Winner".
 

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If you are pretreating a white or light colored shirt you must use IA for white or light garments. It is not just a watered down version of the dark. Also if you are still getting a yellowing on whites using IA white / light. Check your press temps and time. Only about 30 secs is required but if not dry press again in 10 sec intervals. Two things it must be cured with a heat press and dry. You can over cook the PT which will show as a yellowing of the shirt on white / light. That is the only side effect of to much cure time that I know of. Heat presses are notorious for not being at the correct temp. Mine is set at 340 and drops to 335 or so with a shirt being pressed. Also I suggest using the same amount of PT for white as dark. You can also still print white ink on the light colored shirts as an underbase if you really want the colors to pop and reduce fading and increase durability. I do, depending on colors, reduce my white ink lay down by 25 to 50 % when using it on a white or light shirt. Is it required no. Is pretreat required on a white shirt, no. Does it help improve colors, reduce bleeding or veining, increase durability, yes. Also on application be sure to brush all areas that have pretreat. If the area sprayed is outside the area of the press you should brush that as well, this helps prevent any crystallization caused by the steam escaping on the sides, this shows as a brown line at the edge just outside the area covered by the press, however it will wash out.
 
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1) First batch of IA: almost no problem.
Second batch: start to show dirty marks on some t-shirts, even you can see on black t-shirts ( different brands: Gildan, Alstyle, American Apparel. No problem with Fruit of the Loom). Hope they can control the product quality constantly.

2) Wash is better than DuPont.

3) IA is easy to put too less. DuPont is easy to put too much
 

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Easy to see to little in print quality, to much with dupont and the print looks great but fails in wash resulting in peeling and lost customer. One u can see and fix, later u cant until to late, been there done that. Where is the "dirt" showing up. I will occasionally get a dirty looking line on the edge of the pt area if I sprayed wider than the heat press area. U can minimize this by being sure you brush all pt area even when not in press area. Also if spraying by hand an hanging the shirt over a board, cut a piece of wood or other material the size of the heat press platen, fix to the original board then you can see the platen area and know where to spray.
 
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Inspired Buffalo.... Thank you for the question, and you're right to be skeptical. Too many times you get sales pitch and and then results don't live up to those claims.

We don't try to make the claims. I just let people do the talking with their experiences with Image Armor. At the trade shows we also hand out free samples of the product to new potential customers because we know it works. But even then people are skeptical.

Will it work for everyone? Probably not. Why? Something's just can't be explained. But.........it I've are so confident it works that we spend money for a booth at a show, give out lots of free samples and tell people to go home and try it. If we knew it didn't work, I'd be better off giving you a hundred bucks and staying home (if it didn't work).

But, it is good because it's a step in the right direction in moving DTG forward for our industry. Is it the end all be all? Nope, but we are continually trying to make it better and easier for our users. Have cool stuff in the pipeline too.

IA Ultra is the newest release and is great for Brother, Epson, and anyone who does inline printing or high speed printing and needs a faster gelling of the white ink.

Stay tuned. You never know what might pop out of our skunk works dungeon. Whatever it will be will only try to advance the industry because we've been on both sides of the printing fence.
 

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Inspired Buffalo.... Thank you for the question, and you're right to be skeptical. Too many times you get sales pitch and and then results don't live up to those claims. .......
If you guys can control the quality better, then we would be happy to use Image Armor. We experienced some bootles are weak, we had to apply much more. then another bottle suddenly so strong. Because of this, we damaged a lot of t-shirts. It leaves dirty mark on t-shirts, even on black t-shirt ! It seems only no problem with Fruit of the Loom. We find it has problem with Alstyle, Bella, Gildan and American Apparel.
 

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We have very tight quality control in place already. I would make sure to shake before using to just ensure all is mixed accordingly. But I will pass the word along and check in.

Another thing I am not aware of is the "dirty marks" - we have never seen it, but if it happens on some shirts and not others it may be an interaction with the dyes - per your comments about it having no problems on the FOL shirts. That wouldn't be an IA issue but a dye lot issue or post treatment issue most likely. But we will take this information in stride and put it into our pool of knowledge to see how we can keep improving it! Thank you.
 

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I bought image armors light and dark pretreatment. I like it. I haven't used the dark pretreatment yet since I still have some PT left from Anajet. But for what I have seen for the light and I used a white undebase on it on a grey shirt it looks awesome. I'd recommend it to other.
 

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I have seen some brown marks on the edges where the press does not cover. Only if I sprayed to wide and did not brush that area. To me it appears to be caused by steam escaping onto the oversprayed area. I believe I have only seen this on Keya shirts. A damp rag removes it, or it washes out. If I do my job right and dont spray to wide or I brush this is not a problem.
 

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Buffalo - Did you say you were using a GT3 or was it another printer? Just curious as that will help us too... Thanks.
I use the DTG M2

I ordered a gallon of the Light and Dark
Suppose to get it today

I have become pretty good at spraying by hand over the past year.
I use a machine for bigger runs but hand spray smaller ones.

I am always looking for a edge and looking for ways to become better.
We have built are business up nicely in the past year. We started with nothing and had no clue how to use the dam machine let alone spray.

I am a perfectionist. It can become a curse in this business.
I'll post my thoughts once I use it.
 

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Looking forward to hearing how it goes for you. Shake and apply. If unsure, add a little more as it won't hurt washability as some other PT's function. Thanks for the info, always helps us understand better how and what people use and operate to make a better product.
 

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Thanks that helps everyone. In aviation I never had a student that I didnt learn from, so here we can all learn from others no matter how inexperienced or experienced they may be.
 
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Well
I have used the product on a very limited basis. I have been rather busy and really couldn't spare the time for the learning curve.

It is very different than what I was using. Thiner, drys quicker but have really noticed not much difference other than that.

I haven't used it enough yet to really have a good sample size yet.
Jury is still out on it
 
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