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Hello everyone,
I am new to this industry but I have learnt quick and have managed to overcome the various obstacles it presents. There is one, however i have found to be my nemisis.

I am currently using corel draw x3 to make my designs, I also have photoshop cs4 however, I am still unfamiliar with it; my dtg is a viper, my issue is that the blue on the design prints as purple. I have read many threads on this site and others, thus far I have yet to find anyone who can help me manipulate the icc profiles and color management to perfection. Please help if you can. I have project due soon and I am at a loss. :mad:

I need to know how to change the color profiles for corel draw to match the design colors, or find a way to transfer the logo into photoshop so that photoshop's icc can be used (I have tried that also and it's a fail)

PLEASE HELP!
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Chester,
Corel is notoriously bad at color management. From screen display to spot color conversion to CMYK, Corel's profiles just leave something to be desired. Your best bet is to create files in RGB, export to raster. There you can either bring into photoshop and covert to CMYK, or let the RIP do the conversion for you. At that point, if you see and color shifting, use the color correction tools in photoshop.

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Thanks for answering. I understand the problem lies with corel. In the future I will apply more effort into photoshop. I'm not very savy with alot of computer stuff. But I think I will try your suggestion.
 

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I print from Corel all the time and do not have an issue with colors!
I also print to large format and thermal printers and also out source to other printers and do not have color issues! I think this is the same as people saying that these printer don not work and have all kinds of issues! These printer and the software are more then home/hobby equipment and do require knowledge on there operations! So if you think the problem is in Corel then you need to learn the software and the color management end of it! I am not the only one who uses this and find no problems!
 

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I am with Brian.. you should be able to download the current color profiles from SWF because the color profiles isn't just a part of the software its the ink you are using..

which I am sure is v02 inks.. so you need that as well..
 

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Brian,
I'm sooo happy that you don't have any problems with YOUR equipment or software. I'm also happy to hear that you know what you're doing. I never said that corel had a problem with it, in fact, I said that I am new and inexperienced. I appreciate your opinion on the subject, and the fact that you told me to learn the software even tho, the purpose of this thread is to learn from experts such as yourself.
Thanks for making me feel like crap.
Chester.
 

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I didn't mean to make you feel like crap..as I am assured Brian did not but a lot of the information is really self-taught with research which I am happy that you are looking to us for advice..

Like I mentioned before if you are using v02 inks, SWF has color profiles for them we didn't know for almost over a year because it was never mentioned to us when we switch the inks so we had crappy prints for a quite awhile.

So beside Corel x4 make sure you have the SWF color profiles downloaded into rip and we use..

1) Main tool bar > go to Tools

2) Color Management

3) Settings: Optimizied for professional output

4) Color mode for : CMYK (lower left corner)

5) Click On


hope this helps
 

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Chester,
Corel is notoriously bad at color management. From screen display to spot color conversion to CMYK, Corel's profiles just leave something to be desired. Your best bet is to create files in RGB, export to raster. There you can either bring into photoshop and covert to CMYK, or let the RIP do the conversion for you. At that point, if you see and color shifting, use the color correction tools in photoshop.

Ian



Z,
Thanks for answering. I understand the problem lies with corel. In the future I will apply more effort into photoshop. I'm not very savy with alot of computer stuff. But I think I will try your suggestion.
I think both of these replys are saying the problem is with COREL when it isn't. If you took the time to learn the software and color management you would know this! Now here is a link to a good e-book on corel color management!

Now learn your software and your equipment you should should do well!
 

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Well... I have that eBook, spoke to the author and sat through his webinar on Corel X5 Color Management... and I am comfortable saying that Corel sucks at color reproduction. Heck, don't take my word for it (whom I have worked with over 400 users that use Corel on several different types of RIPs)... read what a magazine that specializes in Corel has to say about previous versions of Corel prior to Corel X5 - http://www.coreldrawhelp.com/Library/CH-210.pdf. (Notice that this is the same author). In my opinion, the jury is still out in Corel X5.

Here is the bottom line. Color is subjective! What is good results for one person might be unacceptable from another. It all comes down to how the artwork is created and controlling variables. If you create all your own vector graphics, than life is a lot easier as you can print out a color chart and just run with only using those colors. The minute you accept artwork from a customer, you just introduced new variables. Some of their colors might not print out they way you want it using 1) your settings in your graphic software program, 2) your dtg printer, 3) your dtg inks / pretreat fluid, 4) on the garment that the customer wants to use, 5) the dyes and other chemicals used by the garment manufacturer and 6) your heat press settings. If you want even more challenges, through a raster graphic (i.e. photograph) in with vector objects (text) and try to print them. Corel handles both of them completely differently. That is why most of the experienced dtg users will try to keep everything in Photoshop or Illustrator. Just happens to be that Corel is much cheaper and that is what most of the garment decorators get.

Yes, there are a lot of variables and changing anyone of them can affect the colors in your finished product. This is why the large, online fulfillment houses don't offer the entire SanMar / Bodek / Broder /... catalog to their customers. Limit or control the variables and you will be in a much better place. I have personally seen the same graphic out of the same model dtg printer using the same brand of ink on the same shirt look slightly different when printed. So some of it can also be attributed to your dtg printer. Make sure it is completely clean and firing 100% nozzles. No one ever said that printing high quality t-shirts was quick and easy. It requires a lot of testing and retesting.

As far as Corel's color management, you will find people tell you a lot of different things. You need to do a lot of experimenting and logging each test to determine what works best for you. FatKat gave you one recommendation. I will give you another. Watch this video - www.multirip.com/manual/CorelColorMgmnt/CorelColorMgmnt.html. Your file names will be different, but if you follow the same logic it will provide you another option.

Best wishes,

Mark

P.S. Brian, none of my comments about Corel were directed to you. Corel has lead to hunderds if not thousands of hours of my tech support time with customers. I only pray that Corel X5 does a better job... or more color blind people get into this business! :D
 

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Mark-

we have x5 now on our new computer we are using x4 for the meantime it will not take the XP Vista update because our Windows 7 is not compatiable.. so far we have crashed twice with x4 but it is needed until i get the color management for x5.

We love our color profiles with Corel (that's just us) so this link can help me get in the right direction to get x5 up and running because I have x5 on my main computer but whenever I save artwork for the printer it needs to be saved in ver. 14 in order for it to open it up.

We have had more problems with Adobe profiles than Corel so we are doing whats best for us.. but anyway..this link should help then..
 

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A case in point here is that if you create an object in corel, export it (RGB or CMYK) and bring it into photoshop, the values will have changed. If you take that same object and convert it to a raster, and print out of corel, the raster and vector object can and sometimes print out different colors! If you understand color space, have all your management parameters set "just so", you can get good color, but you'll have little nicks in your color wheel that just arn't right. We must remember that CMYK is a limited gamut, and when you put it on a substrate like a t-shirt, even a little shift can make a big difference in where a color is interpreted. At least photoshop is more intuitive.... and the screen representation is easier to tweak. I use Corel for all my layout work, but I do not print directly, or use the file unless I check it in photoshop first.

Brian, Thanks for the link. I will check that out. I've been using Corel since version 4 and I'm using X3 at the moment. I will love the day when I can trust it to give me "perfect" color on all platforms. Some companies have done really good jobs creating profiles for their specific printers and inksets. Like you say, it's not just a Corel problem. Color management can be complex and if you do not have the tools or knowlege, it can be absolutly maddening.
 
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