How to make a Rhinestone Template for Rhinestone placement and Rhinestone Transfers
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Well this is gonna get good. I'm fortunate in the space part of the deal. I have a spare bedroom and when I sell the wrecker, I'll have a small garage. I have to work at home for personal reasons ( more than just "doesn't play well with others"). If any of ya'll noticed that I'm trying to get info in quite a few area, that is the reason. Not attention deficiate disorder. Sorry, computer with spell check is down.
Anyway, wallyworld has a craft dept that sells small sheets of plastic that might/should work. I tried to use a hand drill without much luck. With a drill press (cheap harbour freight) and some claamps, I believe I can get a decent template. The first one I did, I just used a spray adhesive on two sheets and stuck them together, the one I drilled the pattern into and one without any holes at all. I think it wouldn't have been all that bad if my expectations weren't so high. I was hoping to get them to do like in the videos and just shake them into place with no more than a light brushing off and have a perfect pattern. Next one wil be a mix of shaker and hand set. Maybe not as fast as the videos but faster than an exacto and sticky sheet method. (I wish I hadn't desttroyed the first one trying to make it better) Actually, the first one was two layers plactic drilled through(trying to get depth correct) and the third sheet was glued whole to the drilled ones for the backer. I glued the first two together before drilling. Well, thats what I have done aand experianced so far so you might know a little more thaan five minutes ago. I learn something almost every time I read posts here.
Anyway, wallyworld has a craft dept that sells small sheets of plastic that might/should work. I tried to use a hand drill without much luck. With a drill press (cheap harbour freight) and some claamps, I believe I can get a decent template. The first one I did, I just used a spray adhesive on two sheets and stuck them together, the one I drilled the pattern into and one without any holes at all. I think it wouldn't have been all that bad if my expectations weren't so high. I was hoping to get them to do like in the videos and just shake them into place with no more than a light brushing off and have a perfect pattern. Next one wil be a mix of shaker and hand set. Maybe not as fast as the videos but faster than an exacto and sticky sheet method. (I wish I hadn't desttroyed the first one trying to make it better) Actually, the first one was two layers plactic drilled through(trying to get depth correct) and the third sheet was glued whole to the drilled ones for the backer. I glued the first two together before drilling. Well, thats what I have done aand experianced so far so you might know a little more thaan five minutes ago. I learn something almost every time I read posts here.
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HOLY CRAP, that video is a hour long and I only watched the first 30 or so minutes initially...That software is even better than I thought....Well worth it, if you are serious and have the money WHICH I DO NOT! Again, like i said, just a kitchen table guy who recently got laid OFF...
For instance, I now have a order for a shirt simply saying Blessed in a cursive font. To look right, the stones would have to follow the text and the stone size would need to get smaller and bigger to show the cursive style. THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THIS IN COREL, except by hand....
Which isnt, that BAD, cuz like he said...You only have to do it once...
But check out the video at 44:50 into it...
My TOD Time Of Death was at exactly 46:14!
Dude just typed the cursive text, just like what I need and rhinestone placement adjusted for space and SIZE, He simply typed a damn word....That was amazing!!!!
Not too mention, the label they include, way to apply with vinyl transfers, etc....
WT Heck, Do i know...I'm a total noob, just trying to get something going...lol
I think they are complete, geniuses and THIEFS!
Got to hand it to them though, they seen the market, realized what folks needed and designed IT. SO now they charge a pretty Hefty Price tag....
I see NO better or efficient software, and feel that even at that price tag..... if you are going to be SERIOUS...which I aspire to...at some point, it may justified.
Using the ORDER example he talks about in the first 3 minutes, which I think is definitely legitimate and do-able. The lady profited....$1,840.....I think that about covers it!!!!
SO...blah, blah, blah....I'm sticking with my SLIGHTLY inferior method, that I HOPE will work, and put this on the shelf for future use.
BUT, I still need that light green material that they used....No hits yet...
For instance, I now have a order for a shirt simply saying Blessed in a cursive font. To look right, the stones would have to follow the text and the stone size would need to get smaller and bigger to show the cursive style. THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THIS IN COREL, except by hand....
Which isnt, that BAD, cuz like he said...You only have to do it once...
But check out the video at 44:50 into it...
My TOD Time Of Death was at exactly 46:14!
Dude just typed the cursive text, just like what I need and rhinestone placement adjusted for space and SIZE, He simply typed a damn word....That was amazing!!!!
Not too mention, the label they include, way to apply with vinyl transfers, etc....
WT Heck, Do i know...I'm a total noob, just trying to get something going...lol
I think they are complete, geniuses and THIEFS!
Got to hand it to them though, they seen the market, realized what folks needed and designed IT. SO now they charge a pretty Hefty Price tag....
I see NO better or efficient software, and feel that even at that price tag..... if you are going to be SERIOUS...which I aspire to...at some point, it may justified.
Using the ORDER example he talks about in the first 3 minutes, which I think is definitely legitimate and do-able. The lady profited....$1,840.....I think that about covers it!!!!
SO...blah, blah, blah....I'm sticking with my SLIGHTLY inferior method, that I HOPE will work, and put this on the shelf for future use.
BUT, I still need that light green material that they used....No hits yet...
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posted by brucekingLast week when I was at ISS Ft. Worth I saw a demo of some new software for cutting rhinestone templates.
DAS has a program called Stone Stencils that works with your vinyl cutter - Rhinestone Setting System
If you already have a cutter this might be an easier way to get stencils.
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DAS has a program called Stone Stencils that works with your vinyl cutter - Rhinestone Setting System
If you already have a cutter this might be an easier way to get stencils.
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Sandy Jo...you are right that the video is amazing...if you don't want to watch the entire video..click on the video tab at the top center and you will get a page with about 9 short videos that are 5-10 long
I already had a great deal of the stuff required so I upgraded my software..got the stone stencil set and the pack with about 1300 or so ready to cut designs..This will enable me to have some 'stock' designs on hand and ready to do custom work.
I do have the roland engraver but this look more robust and more capabilities.
My order will be here on Thurs...so this weekend I am going to lock myself in the shop and play...maybe I will have some pics next week
I already had a great deal of the stuff required so I upgraded my software..got the stone stencil set and the pack with about 1300 or so ready to cut designs..This will enable me to have some 'stock' designs on hand and ready to do custom work.
I do have the roland engraver but this look more robust and more capabilities.
My order will be here on Thurs...so this weekend I am going to lock myself in the shop and play...maybe I will have some pics next week
Is there any possible way I can use my Stika 12 to make patterns? I bought it off ebay about 3 years ago for the kiddos school projects etc. I know it came with the program to do engraving, the parts and stuff but have only used it for decals up to now. I have donated about 300 school pride decals to the PTA every year for festivals. I really wasn't in it for the money but got laid off recently and had to take a job paying $20,000 less. So I am thinking I could make up some of the $600 per month budget deficit with some rhinestone and decal items.
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uber-mom...do not think your Stika is supported. Here is a section of the release on roland's user forum on the software:
Output devices supported in R-WearStudio:
1. Roland VersaWorks supported printer
2. Roland GX-24 cutter
3. Roland EGX Series Engravers (EGX-30, EGX-300 and EGX-350)
Listing the GX24 is a bit misleading in that the cutter has nothing to do with rhinestone placement. It just means that you can use the new software to support cutting as you would do with Cut Studio. So for most who have the GX24 and Cut Studio or other cutting software, this program does not seem to be an advantage
My software etc from DAS is now on the FedEx truck for delivery...
Output devices supported in R-WearStudio:
1. Roland VersaWorks supported printer
2. Roland GX-24 cutter
3. Roland EGX Series Engravers (EGX-30, EGX-300 and EGX-350)
Listing the GX24 is a bit misleading in that the cutter has nothing to do with rhinestone placement. It just means that you can use the new software to support cutting as you would do with Cut Studio. So for most who have the GX24 and Cut Studio or other cutting software, this program does not seem to be an advantage
My software etc from DAS is now on the FedEx truck for delivery...
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Can you point me to the video and program you are referring to? I really want to learn how to create my own rhinestone designs. Right now, I pay someone to do them for me and I am confident I can do it and keep that money in house! 
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for the video that shows cutting designs for rhinestones using a compatible vinyl cutter is located at Rhinestone Setting System
I finally gave up using software to create templates for hand placement and purchased the Roland EGX-350 with the Dr. Engrave software to make templates. Boy it is fast and easy. Roland is now offering a rhinestone template software that you could use to make paper templates to use as a guide for other attempts at making templates (using wood, acrylic, foam board, etc.). The biggest obstacle though is depth management which is why I went with an engraver. I'll probably try to market the templates for others in the future as the engraver investment isn't cheap.
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Well? Did the fedex truck break down on the way to your house? Details please, details. Impressions,realities?
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Terry...The fedex truck go here...but I forgot what thread this was posted to!...anyway...here goes.
DAS system consists of a vinyl cutter, sand blast vinyl (I am on track for a lesser price for same), stone stencil software and most important is SmartCutPro 2. Since I already had a version of smartcut, I was able to upgrade the software..but you do have to buy the stone stencil package at about $499. My package contained that package, the upgrade to smartcutpro2, 75 yards of material, several small packs of rhinestones, and some minor tools..
The system works like this:
you can import a jpg image, have smartcut do contour lines, then move the vectored image out of way...delete the original. Size the image to what you want, the go to menu bar, select tools, then down to placement tool. you get a dialog box that you define the size stone, the distance between stones (this is not a true measurement between stones, but the distance center to center), decide if you want outline or fill. If you want to fill, you have some choices as to type of fill. click okay and presto you have the image ready to cut.
I found the program pretty easy to use, but then I have used smart cut and DAS programs for some time. You can get an image into Corel Draw, chose wire frame, save as jpg and import into smartcutpro2 and do the outline. I have not tried with AI, but assume it would be the same.
All in all I would rate the program as B+. I never rate anything as A as that would infer perfection!..The difference between Roland EGX350 and DAS is only in the method used to cut the stencil. The engraver can do other engraving but can't cut vinyl. The DAS system allows you do do very precise vinyl cutting. So choose which is more important to you. The DAS can do a 15x39 inch stencil..the Roland engraver can only do 12x9 inches.
I am attaching 4 photos. the first two are of a stencil made with DAS and the resulting rhinestone layout. The 3rd photo is a screen shot of some numbers and the last is the numbers with rhinestone placement.
DAS system consists of a vinyl cutter, sand blast vinyl (I am on track for a lesser price for same), stone stencil software and most important is SmartCutPro 2. Since I already had a version of smartcut, I was able to upgrade the software..but you do have to buy the stone stencil package at about $499. My package contained that package, the upgrade to smartcutpro2, 75 yards of material, several small packs of rhinestones, and some minor tools..
The system works like this:
you can import a jpg image, have smartcut do contour lines, then move the vectored image out of way...delete the original. Size the image to what you want, the go to menu bar, select tools, then down to placement tool. you get a dialog box that you define the size stone, the distance between stones (this is not a true measurement between stones, but the distance center to center), decide if you want outline or fill. If you want to fill, you have some choices as to type of fill. click okay and presto you have the image ready to cut.
I found the program pretty easy to use, but then I have used smart cut and DAS programs for some time. You can get an image into Corel Draw, chose wire frame, save as jpg and import into smartcutpro2 and do the outline. I have not tried with AI, but assume it would be the same.
All in all I would rate the program as B+. I never rate anything as A as that would infer perfection!..The difference between Roland EGX350 and DAS is only in the method used to cut the stencil. The engraver can do other engraving but can't cut vinyl. The DAS system allows you do do very precise vinyl cutting. So choose which is more important to you. The DAS can do a 15x39 inch stencil..the Roland engraver can only do 12x9 inches.
I am attaching 4 photos. the first two are of a stencil made with DAS and the resulting rhinestone layout. The 3rd photo is a screen shot of some numbers and the last is the numbers with rhinestone placement.
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Wow, thanks.Will the Graphtec do the job of that precise cutting ?(the 24" one don't know the designation)Do you have a good idea how much just the two(?) pieces of software,smartcut pro and the stone stencil, are by theirselves? That would be all I would need lf I already have the cutter,rhinestones, and a suitable material (sand mask?) to make the templates with, right? Thanks and good luck.
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Yes, I would like to know the answers to these same questions as well!
I have the Graphtec CE5000-60 and everything else EXCEPT the software!!
wonder how much??
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On the issue of the graphtec...I plead absolute ignorance!...I would think the only really good answer would come from DAS. If you have a cutter, and just need the software..I would guess you would pay around $1700-$1800. I believe the smartcutpro2 is around $1300 plus the stencil software package..around $400-$500
If you did not have a cutter, DAS sells the GCC cutter and I think they brand it 'smartcutter' Anyway I know the GCC cutter works. In the GCC line, the 24 inch Puma III has an optic eye and would be the lowest I would go. I think that will cost around $1500. Besides DAS, Heatpressvinyl.com sells them. I don't know about the vendors on the forum
I know that smartcutpro2 is pricey, but you need to remember that it really is two products ungraded and on one disk. The two programs are VectorPro...a good vectorizing program and Smartcutpro2. One advantage is that you can design and cut from the same program without going back and forth between a vectorizing program and a cutting program. The cutting programs from DAS are (or at least used to be) CoCut, CocutPro and SmartcutPro...But only the new SmartcutPro2 will do rhinestones
As to the sandblast material, there seems to be several types..The one that DAS sells is a seaform green with a thin white backing. It is about 1mm or so thick and rather flexible. I got a sample from McLogan's in LA and it was a tan color and a bit stiff and while the cutter did cut the holes, you have to weed it manually and not suitable if you are doing a fill...otherwise just weeding an outline is not bad
With the Roland, I had to slow the speed down to 5cm/s, 240 downforce, 60 degree blade, 0.50 offset
If you did not have a cutter, DAS sells the GCC cutter and I think they brand it 'smartcutter' Anyway I know the GCC cutter works. In the GCC line, the 24 inch Puma III has an optic eye and would be the lowest I would go. I think that will cost around $1500. Besides DAS, Heatpressvinyl.com sells them. I don't know about the vendors on the forum
I know that smartcutpro2 is pricey, but you need to remember that it really is two products ungraded and on one disk. The two programs are VectorPro...a good vectorizing program and Smartcutpro2. One advantage is that you can design and cut from the same program without going back and forth between a vectorizing program and a cutting program. The cutting programs from DAS are (or at least used to be) CoCut, CocutPro and SmartcutPro...But only the new SmartcutPro2 will do rhinestones
As to the sandblast material, there seems to be several types..The one that DAS sells is a seaform green with a thin white backing. It is about 1mm or so thick and rather flexible. I got a sample from McLogan's in LA and it was a tan color and a bit stiff and while the cutter did cut the holes, you have to weed it manually and not suitable if you are doing a fill...otherwise just weeding an outline is not bad
With the Roland, I had to slow the speed down to 5cm/s, 240 downforce, 60 degree blade, 0.50 offset
Making the templates can also be accomplished in corel draw very easily using the Interactive blend tool. Size the circles to whatever you want and fit them to the text. I then use our laser engraver to vector cut the circles.
My stencil could use a little tweaking yet but you get the idea anyway.
My stencil could use a little tweaking yet but you get the idea anyway.
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Many of us have been cutting forever and one of these days I am gonna get it right!...I think I am supporting several vinyl supply houses!
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