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You can print something like that with dye sublimation, but there's almost no chance it actually was printed with dye sublimation. Outside of the performance wear industry, very few people are willing to sell polyester t-shirts - especially on a fashion site.

(they also do the shirt in a red colourway incidentally, so you can safely rule out dye sublimation)

Being Karma Loop I'd certainly be inclined to say it's screenprinting, but couldn't rule out DTG. It's very difficult to tell unless you have the shirt in front of you (and even then it isn't always obvious).
 

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Why does everyone assume that very realistic printing is index? I really dislike using index prints they only really seem to look right with a ton of colors. ( Index seps and prints generate a HUGE amount of waste ink over time simply because you have to make so many colors specifically for that job that you may never use again) I could print that on my challenger in less than 10 colors, standard screen printing methods. It would have a good hand and look every bit as good as that. Its large but we have 22x32 pallets and can print almost that size.
 

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Index seps and prints generate a HUGE amount of waste ink over time simply because you have to make so many colors specifically for that job that you may never use again
Pantone matching should be standard practice.

Mixing specific colors for a job is done even fort basic spot color jobs, not just index and simulated process.
Using a mixing system you can mix the amount of ink you need for your run so you have minimal waste ink.
 

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I see - so David, you're thinking simulated process would be the way you'd go? I've still never done index or simulated, so can't be sure myself. One thing I've wondered about them is, are they always printed wet-on-wet? Seems like the ink would get muddy where dot lines intersect or something...
 

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I've still never done index or simulated, so can't be sure myself. One thing I've wondered about them is, are they always printed wet-on-wet? Seems like the ink would get muddy where dot lines intersect or something...
Index and Simulated process is best done wet on wet using proper press setup. registration needs to be tight. With index, if your registration is tight and your press is dialed in, there's little to no over lapping of ink. You do want the 'dots' to blend slightly but not too much.
It's very tricky if printing manually.
 

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In order for Index seps to work properly registration has to be precise. By default with index seps your not really creating any terciary colors by blending primary colors. Also you must have a good working Idea of how to predict area of coverage times the number of imprints to mix the correct amount of ink. Even if your very close your not going to get it exactly right very often. That means over time your going to generate a HUGE number of small containers with pms colors you will likely never use again. Even if you do need it again you will likely have to mix enough to use for that job anyway hence more mixing. With Simulated process you get a more forgiving registration, you use the same basic 9 colors again and again so if you mix a little to much no worries your going to use it again in a day or two anyway. The vibrancey is every bit as good and in many cases better. You will have a much broader range of colors to use in a design with out exceeding 8-10 colors in most cases and most importantly after you do this process for a while you will begin to get very predictable results. When you can predict whats going to happen on the press every time you begin to exponentially improve your skills from start to finish while maintaining an acceptable cost factor. I worked as a consultant to this industry for a long time and I can testify that several shops using primarily index seps had a lot of waste ink. One shop I vivited donated a truckload of waste ink a year to the prison print shop. You tell me what a truck load of ink cost them?

Lastly with Simulated process predictably engineering the colors to print wet on wet provides for a broad range of terciary colors you would not otherwise get with index or flat spot colors. Purple or violets, oranges, greens, greys and browns in every shade.

By the way I've been doing simulated process seps since before Photoshop would recognized alpha channels as such. There are some automated actions and stand alone programs that will make it easy for you. Just be smart, and make the process easy and cost effective for yourself if your not familiar with photoshop. (older versions of photosho pre-v6 have the best alpha channel previews).
 

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I see six colors. Blue, black, brown, red, pink and a skin tone. And yes I would index this print. As far as waste ink is concerned if you have the right system you can recycle the inks to make other colors. Simulated process is a good system but you can't get exact pms colors from blending inks on the press. A lot of my customers demand exact matches on colors. We charge extra for this and that charge covers the wasted ink. Yes I have a couple of hundred containers of left over ink. They are labeled and stored in a organized manner. We go through about once a year and combined the inks we have not used and mix similar colors together to make generic buckets of ink we use for non repeating designs. At the most in one year we have had 5 gallons on ink left over.

The size of the print doesn't appear to be all that big. Maybe a 18 by 25 platen can handle it.
 

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By default with index seps your not really creating any terciary colors by blending primary colors. Also you must have a good working Idea of how to predict area of coverage times the number of imprints to mix the correct amount of ink. Even if your very close your not going to get it exactly right very often. That means over time your going to generate a HUGE number of small containers with pms colors you will likely never use again. Even if you do need it again you will likely have to mix enough to use for that job anyway hence more mixing. With Simulated process you get a more forgiving registration, you use the same basic 9 colors again and again so if you mix a little to much no worries your going to use it again in a day or two anyway. The vibrancey is every bit as good and in many cases better. You will have a much broader range of colors to use in a design with out exceeding 8-10 colors in most cases and most importantly after you do this process for a while you will begin to get very predictable results. When you can predict whats going to happen on the press every time you begin to exponentially improve your skills from start to finish while maintaining an acceptable cost factor. I worked as a consultant to this industry for a long time and I can testify that several shops using primarily index seps had a lot of waste ink. One shop I vivited donated a truckload of waste ink a year to the prison print shop. You tell me what a truck load of ink cost them?

Lastly with Simulated process predictably engineering the colors to print wet on wet provides for a broad range of terciary colors you would not otherwise get with index or flat spot colors. Purple or violets, oranges, greens, greys and browns in every shade.

By the way I've been doing simulated process seps since before Photoshop would recognized alpha channels as such. There are some automated actions and stand alone programs that will make it easy for you. Just be smart, and make the process easy and cost effective for yourself if your not familiar with photoshop. (older versions of photosho pre-v6 have the best alpha channel previews).
good post Dave. I'm not trying to argue but i'd like to discuss this further and hopefully inform myself more.

"By default with index seps your not really creating any terciary colors by blending primary colors."
You can easily create tertiary colors using index method just as with simulated process. I don't see why you'd say you can't.

here's a good article on ink management software.
Bring Order to Your Inkroom with Ink-Management Software | ScreenWeb | screenweb.com

"With Simulated process you get a more forgiving registration, you use the same basic 9 colors again and again"
so you are always using the same colors for all different designs?... this doesn't make any sense if you're designs require specific colors. you don't do Pantone matching for your clients?

Dave, don't get me wrong.. i'm not trying to say one method is better then the other, they are both viable and have their pros and cons. I've been doing index for the past several years but have been doing simulated process allot longer and often use both techniques together.
from my experience Simulated process is much more forgiving on press. Index can produce more colors on press with fewer screens but require tight registration, prime setup and exact color matching for ideal results... if registration is off a bit it's noticeable.. if the colors aren't matched exactly it can drastically effect your print. Index tends to produce a more accurate reproduction then simulated process but requires more skill on press.

"The vibrancey is every bit as good and in many cases better."
how so? they're both plastisol inks deposited the same way just using different patterns. I think the vibrancy would depend more on the ink color and opacity more so then separation method.
 

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LOL yeah thats about right for a small printer. 5 gallons of waste ink translates to about $350 bucks a year conservatively. Assuming you only have one press or two small presses. That means in 10 years you could have had a nice family Disney vacation paid for. I'm much more frugal than that. In three years I haven't thrown away ANY ink. I even recycle the ink off the sqeegees and floodbars at the cleanup sink for use on labels. Oh and by the way I do incorporate specific PMS colors in my work and I don't charge for that. I do a LOT of work for CLC licensed College properties as well as a host of properties I can't mention. Look Index seps are easy to do in the art room, but just painfully time consuming to print. If this is the way your seping your art I would bet your average daily print count per press doesn't exceed 1000 pieces.
If it suits your needs more power to you. The time limitations above the cost of the ink waste would be an issue for us. Our daily nut is higher than that. Lastly I've never met a print I couldn't reproduce in less colors my way than what would be needed in index. The Image above could actually look a good bit better than what I see there with more lifelike skin tones. The Skin tones appear very red and monotone as is.
 

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Lag time between posts is awesome. Index seps only create terciary colors by accident when the registration is not in. You can purposly do this to create terciary colors but in effect your doing a simulated process sep when you do. Everyone knows Primary colors are some degree of Red, Yellow and Blue. Process or CMYK prints add black to very transparent versions of these colors. You can do simulated process by knowing how to blend combinations of these primarys without the need to resort to the washed out process colors traditionally used. Even the Higher tech color printers have added extra rich versions of these colors to create broader ranges of color not found in the four color versions. What I'm saying is if you have a good working knowledge of how ink penetrates fabric and how to cure it and stack color in sequences to make other colors you begin to open up whole new avenues of print. Charlie Facini has a clever way of describing this process by pointing out the simple selection tool in photoshop while in rgb mode. you have the ability to reproduce on a t-shirt accurately anything your monitor can illustrate using those colors. Red, Yellow, Green, Lt Blue, Dark Blue, Violet, brown (sometimes) and Black. Throw in white if you need an underprint and another white for a top highlight and you can print almost anything you can see. If your art does not need any of these drop them out and print with less colors. This is why I do not recomend buying small 6-color press if you have a choice and the money to start larger. These colors ca be very standard and reused day after day. If your not comfortable doing seps on your own then buy ether Charlie Facini's spot process or Scott Fresners Color sep program both are automated versions of what I'm talking about. Lastly I've had at least 6 designs I've done and seped printed on presses at SGIA shows in the M&R booths, the process is incredibly bright and vibrant. GOOD LUCK.
 

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David,
I'm sure you are very good at what you do and know what your talking about. I looked at your web site and I can't come close to your abilities. I have tried simulated process several times and found the results were to inconsistent for my shop.

We did over 300,000 shirts last year. Five gallons of ink (that is not wasted but remixed to other colors for smaller jobs) does not sound like much of a waste. $350 in reality it may be $50 that gets wasted, my time is more important than trying to save $350 in one year, that is less than $1 a day. I'm not debating that simulated process is a good way to separate art, we use index more than anything because we can control it trough the whole process. I would guess that we may only do 3 or 4 orders a week that call for this type of separation. Most of the orders we print call for specific pms colors. We print for contractors that sep the art them selves and give us tell us the colors they want. One contractor we do work for, sell over 1,000,000 shirts a year, they never use simulated process. I'm sure that there are other printers like your self that are very successful that do only simulated process. Bottom line is what works for one shop may not work for another. This thread asked how this print might have been done. I think he got several answers, the reality is most people on this site can't print this print and are trying to find out how. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
 
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