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Hello all,

I first wanted to compliment you all on creating such a vibrant community of makers and thinkers - good on you!

As I'm new to the trade there's a good chance I'll be asking more questions than being able answer them or advise till I have a chance to make a bunch of mistakes. But... I am a professional photographer/cinematographer so, should any of you have any questions regarding the documentation of your work, be is still or video, feel free to send them my way.

Why I'm here:
An old friend and I are in the process of starting up a little screen printing business (t-shirts and etc.) in the Albany, NY area and as such will primarily be haunting the screen printing and business related threads.

Looking forward to joining the discussion and growing my craft.

Cheers,
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Thank you both!

What a wealth of knowledge there is here and no mistake.

I have the feeling I chose well, again and again I keep seeing you (plural) pulling together to help raise the bar and increase the overall health of the t-shirt biz. This is refreshingly odd to me. I am more accustomed to photographers cutting their rates (and so to speak, their own wrists) just to under-bid the "other guy" - not health - and unfortunately the client often gets what they pay for. Nada.
 

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Hello Vale and welcome,

I have been haunting this forum since it began but only just joined, I have enjoyed the postings and have learned a bunch here. Hope I can give something back.:D

I was wondering if you might have suggestions on setting up an area to take photos of small items. (Moderator; not sure where to post this)

Evie:)




Hello all,

I first wanted to compliment you all on creating such a vibrant community of makers and thinkers - good on you!

As I'm new to the trade there's a good chance I'll be asking more questions than being able answer them or advise till I have a chance to make a bunch of mistakes. But... I am a professional photographer/cinematographer so, should any of you have any questions regarding the documentation of your work, be is still or video, feel free to send them my way.

Why I'm here:
An old friend and I are in the process of starting up a little screen printing business (t-shirts and etc.) in the Albany, NY area and as such will primarily be haunting the screen printing and business related threads.

Looking forward to joining the discussion and growing my craft.

Cheers,
~vale
 

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Hey Evie,

Thanks for the hello! I'm falling asleep now, but wanted to ask you a question so that I may be able to offer you some better advise on the morrow. What is it exactly that you'll be shooting? Is it something to be worn, is it decretive, 2D, 3D, shiny or not - all of these things are important to consider and will inform my response.

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Photographing glass, flat panes and drinking I have a small table and 2 lamps so far and making a frame for backgrounds. Thank you:):):)

Hey Evie,

Thanks for the hello! I'm falling asleep now, but wanted to ask you a question so that I may be able to offer you some better advise on the morrow. What is it exactly that you'll be shooting? Is it something to be worn, is it decretive, 2D, 3D, shiny or not - all of these things are important to consider and will inform my response.

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=] Thanks Natasha.

Glass hunh? You just had to make it easy didn't you? But really, it shouldn't be all that difficult to think through.

Before I get into any technical description, I'll talk in some general terms. First off, let's just think about the nature of glass, it is either translucent (light is translated through it) or transparent (you see through it) if not both and reflects light unless it has been sandblasted or some such. All of things complicate the problem of photographing it, but will end up being assets if we think about it enough. one thing about glass is it looks better when isolated on a field of black or white. White has a way of abstracting its form and black will make it stand out or "pop." Just do a Google image search for "glass sculpture" and you'll see endless examples of what I'm talking about. The next thing to consider is its reflective quality. Take a wine glass for example, empty, it will brobably be reflecting light sources and big white surfaces, but fill it with a dark liquid it will reflect much more. By filling it we cut down on its transparency and add to its reflective quality - think of it like a balancing act. and finally let's look at the translucent qualities of glass. Take one of your lights and point it at the object, then light it from behind - it will change character drastically.

I know I'm being long-winded here, but this is how good lighting and arresting images are constructed - by looking, playing and thinking.

Now for the practical stuff.

You have a camera, table and two lights. Great, basically you're set, but let's add just a few things to that list that will make your life easier.

A tripod. This is the product photographers friend. You'll be making subtle changes and tweaks to get it "just right" and having the camera move around will confuse this process.

The next thing I'd add to that list is lots of super-cheep black fabric. this is for the space all around the space you are setting up to make photos (think "black box"), you are trying to control the reflections, if it is reflecting something it should only be because you want it to be there and added it yourself. You should also be in a black shirt, your camera should be black (just use tape if it's not) and etc... Do this even if you decide you want a white background and tabletop.

As for this "frame" you are making, I assume you are thinking of that as a backdrop. Yes? What I do, is pin, clamp, whatever... one edge of my backdrop material to a wall or ceiling and let it drape down in a gentle slop onto my shooting surface. Just tape it or clamp it to the front edge of the table. Beware of wrinkles unless you will just clean them up in photoshop. a smooth curve will create what is called a "seamless" backdrop.

Other than that, have some white cards, alumium foil, a house plant, your cat, it really dosent matter. Play with these things to see how they reflect off the glass. a big white card will add a big white reflection, you'll see.

Some more costly items that you could use are polarizing filters, they make them for camera lenses (glass) and for light sources (gels). Like I said, they are pricey, but will give you a much greater degree of control over your (reflective) image making.

For flat glass try and light it evenly from 45deg angles from the plane and have your camera pointing directly at it. with all black behind the camera. This is more classical copy-camera style, but I'm sure if you play with it a bit you'll get more unique results.

One last word of advice, play, have fun make it sexy, but remember to keep it consistent. Once you find the "look" you like, do the entire body of work that way. Consistent results = professional looking. I'm not saying you should never mix it up, but in a small body of work you should try and keep the aesthetic as tight as possible and let the differences between the individual pieces be the defining element of variety.

Good luck,
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I am playing..
Went into a small room blacked out everything and took this with husband (bless him) holding a flashlight.

Glass hunh? You just had to make it easy didn't you? But really, it shouldn't be all that difficult to think through.

A tripod. got a mini to set up on the table. Have the fabric too, I guess I am going in the right direction

Thanks Again

Evie:):):D
 

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Hey hey!

You're off to a good start =)

Right off the bat I have a few comments about what's working and what's not.


The lines along the edges of the forms are doing a nice job of describing the object and I'm glad to see that there are no reflections in the flat planes to confuse things.

This gives me a thought, what if you were to cut out white pieces of paper that are just smaller than the base of the pieces. Put the paper under the pieces (bookends, yes?) and see what happens. I would guess some of the reflected light would translate up and through the glass, you can also try colored paper.

What's not working... cropping! be careful how you frame things. We want to see the entire object =]

Also, all that digital noise in your blacks are caused by not having enough light on the object. Actually there are a number of things to think of here. Please tell me you have some manual controls on your camera. If not, this could get difficult as all that black will confuse a camera's auto exposure calculation. Your camera is artificially over exposing the shot, that is where all that noise is coming from. Add a ton of light to the object and the object alone. Try and get your hubby to block any light from hitting the background, use foil around your light source to create a spotlight effect, essentially I'm telling you to use a gobo (go-between)

Once you start putting more light in the places you want light, taking light away from where you don't want it to be and manage to control the exposure manually so as to overcome "over-exposing" the image you will start to get much more stunning results.

Good start! Keep on playing and you'll be there in no time ;]

~v
 
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I grabbed the closest thing I could find hanging around the house that sort of looks like your piece.

I lit this with a maglight, a book with a tissue attached to it, one piece of paper under the boat on a chair with a black shirt clipped to it. The images go from, where I started, where I ended up after a few min and the setup I used (But I had the room lights off.)

It's a slam-bang job, but I wanted to use the most basic setup I could. Hope this helps to see.

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