[metalbone]

For those of you using firebird pretreat and a Wagner sprayer, what amount are you putting down? I have been using it for awhile now successfully for the most part but as I have not been able to find any specifics on amount and procedure from firebird I figured I would ask here

Maybe Sean can answer this if he sees it. I would love to see firebird add to their website. Maybe a video or to of them using a Wagner sprayer. I Am visual kind of person.


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[FIREBIRDken]

I have used both a Viper and Wagner...(I am a Wagner guy myself!)
After using the Viper as prescribe by our in-house experts, I weighed the shirt prior to heat pressing; the shirt weighed and additional 24g from the Viper.
I then used the Wagner and sprayed as i normally do, again the weight was about 22g.

I will post a vid of my spray method soon to demonstrate my spray technique.

K

 

[FIREBIRDken]

Here is a vid of pretreating a Gildan 2000 Light Pink adult T as I normally. The actual spray time is about 13 seconds and the total pretreatment applied was 23g (my typical average).

http://youtu.be/yn4xv3lmCZ8

I will print on the shirt and show you the outcome as well.

 

[metalbone]

Thanks ken,

Out of curiosity do you have the Wagner dialed back at to spray out less liquid (using the little black knob on the trigger) or just wide open

One thing I have notice on the dark FB pt is if I put a good coat on I get a milky film when drying.


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[FIREBIRDken]

I typically am 12" or more away from the shirt with the Wagner wide open.

As I hope you could see from the vid, I move down, then up then back down to the finish. 10-15 seconds max time. I do not stay in one place too long. I try to apply an even light coat each time. I would work the spray in with a 3" Wooster brush when done and then let sit for 10 or minutes (especially if I were doing a larger run 10 - 20 or more shirts).
I prefer a natural air or hoover dry then press for 15 or seconds firmly just before printing. i believe this helps greatly in reducing any staining.

The shirt in the vid has been hoover dried and I have not yet printed on it today. Ran out of time. I will print on it tomorrow, press it before I print and then post the result.

K

 

[FIREBIRDken]

Here is the printed Gildan 2000 Light Pink shirt I did this morning.

 

[metalbone]

Thanks ken

How long do you hover dry for? And do you do the same procedure for dark?


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[vender07]

Here is the printed Gildan 2000 Light Pink shirt I did this morning.

wow that video.... so much pretreatment

can you take a photo of that shirt up close, like 5 cm, so i can see the fiber

gildan 2000 are always so hard to use when using dupont ink, not enough coverage and fiber always stick up (black shirt)

im usualy setting 1440x1440 100% white underbase, and still got crappy result for dupont

 

[FIREBIRDken]

Thanks ken

How long do you hover dry for? And do you do the same procedure for dark?


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Hoover dry is about 2-3 minutes and I shift the shirt a little in the process trying to reach the outer edges on both sides.

Typically, I will cure the shirt without hoover drying when they are very dark or black. I use a little more caution with the lighter colors to help reduce the chance of staining.

 

[FIREBIRDken]

To be honest with you, there was a little fibrillation on this as I did not brush the pretreatment into the weave. I noticed this during the print (on an mPower) as one of the white channels was having a slight problem and I did not get the best underbase that I was hoping for.
I am going to re-do the print again today on the back. Already have the shirt pretreated and brushed in this time. Need to double check that problem white channel and then reprint. I will post the results later today.

In the meantime, wanted to share another shirt printed yesterday on a Gildan 50/50 safety orange. Same graphic printed on an in-house Epson based printer. Awesome white underbase and fantastic colors!!


[media]http://s27.postimg.org/7pfyhp0lv/50_50_Sfty_Orng_Hit_Beach.jpg[/media]

 

[ghostofmedusa]

Thanks for posting this, Ken.

 

[CanExplorer]

To be honest with you, there was a little fibrillation on this as I did not brush the pretreatment into the weave. I noticed this during the print (on an mPower) as one of the white channels was having a slight problem and I did not get the best underbase that I was hoping for.
I am going to re-do the print again today on the back. Already have the shirt pretreated and brushed in this time. Need to double check that problem white channel and then reprint. I will post the results later today.

In the meantime, wanted to share another shirt printed yesterday on a Gildan 50/50 safety orange. Same graphic printed on an in-house Epson based printer. Awesome white underbase and fantastic colors!!


[media]http://s27.postimg.org/7pfyhp0lv/50_50_Sfty_Orng_Hit_Beach.jpg[/media]

Great print!Looks so clean!
How is the wash with Firebird pretreatment? We have a tons problem with Image Armor these days....leave ugly marks on t-shirts, even on black t-shirts ( Gildan, Alstyle, Bella, American Apparel. Seems ok with Fruit of the Loom). We did not have problem when they published. We start to experience problems from second purchase ( bought a few gallons after test the first batch).... some bottles are very week ( we had to applly much more ), some bottles then so strong ( then cut down). We think they do have problem with quality control, though their dealer ( in this forum) said it is user problem. We have to switch back to Dupont pretreatment.

"Washing".....Image Armor is better than DuPont. But the ugly mark stops us to use it. We had wasted a lot of t-shirts.

If Firebird is good with DuPont ink, We might start to use Firebird.