[4u2bSeen]

I am about half way through my first 600ml white cartridge and I am being prompted to wash my white line. Anyone else do this yet. It says to have extra white on hand and another cleaning cartridge if you fill this one up. If it uses the same amount of white that it did when it primed the printer... that's a lot of ink, and money. It still allows me to print and I haven't seen any degradation yet.

 

[allamerican-aeoon]

Yes, we did few times. It suppose to be exact same amount. Not one drop less or more.
Clean out and refill with new inks. Wiper roll changed few times also. Convenient always cost some. It can be pro or con to sudden people. Stay/use until last print/drop.
You used 1/2 of white 300ml. How many shirts were printed?
Cheers! Inks are on me always.

 

[4u2bSeen]

No, I am half way through two of my 600s. It seems to me that the system is suppose to be recirculating the ink on a periodic basis. As such any ink in the lines should be rotated back to the cartridge in an endless cycle. My initial charging used about 75% of my 2 starter cartridges. That's about 450 ml. Or more important... About $150 or so of ink. I've only done about 50 dark shirts on this set of inks so far.

 

[allamerican-aeoon]

600ml = $229
1ml $0.38 plus shipping.
600ml/50 dark shirts. 12ml used per shirts.
$0.38 x 12ml = $4.60 white ink only.
CYMK, Pretreat? Spitting? Shipping?
Please, Let's save some ink. Great Printer if you manage ink cost.
Try available RIPs out there. 40-60% average saving when printing.
Cheers! Inks are on me always.

 

[Resolute DTG]

No, I am half way through two of my 600s. It seems to me that the system is suppose to be recirculating the ink on a periodic basis. As such any ink in the lines should be rotated back to the cartridge in an endless cycle. My initial charging used about 75% of my 2 starter cartridges. That's about 450 ml. Or more important... About $150 or so of ink. I've only done about 50 dark shirts on this set of inks so far.

Ink will be one of your biggest expenses, the litre cost and how much the printer wastes should be one of the most important factors taken into account when calculating running costs.

With an ink as expensive as piezo pigmented water based you really don't want to be flushing into the waste tank un-necessarily. With a circulation system in place it questions why epson even put this process in.

 

[madfenix]

Ink will be one of your biggest expenses, the litre cost and how much the printer wastes should be one of the most important factors taken into account when calculating running costs.

With an ink as expensive as piezo pigmented water based you really don't want to be flushing into the waste tank un-necessarily. With a circulation system in place it questions why epson even put this process in.

its simple

more ink to waste tank = more new ink to sell

 

[spiderx1]

The F2000 will ask you to wash the white lines every 30 days. Not based on number of prints or run time. Exact ink usage for maintenance and cost is listed the epson website under the F2000 downloads section. So good news bad news. A nearly hands on maintenance free machine but uses a lot of ink to do its automatic maintenance. If done as prompted by the machine. Maybe not as much difference as you think if not printing a lot with other printers and having to do a lot of strong cleanings to get the nozzles back. Good incentive to find more work to amortize the maintenance cost and make more money. See the printer is trying to get you to make money.LOL. Really do love the ease of use of the printer though.

 

[Resolute DTG]

The F2000 will ask you to wash the white lines every 30 days. Not based on number of prints or run time. Exact ink usage for maintenance and cost is listed the epson website under the F2000 downloads section. So good news bad news. A nearly hands on maintenance free machine but uses a lot of ink to do its automatic maintenance. If done as prompted by the machine. Maybe not as much difference as you think if not printing a lot with other printers and having to do a lot of strong cleanings to get the nozzles back.

This is stated in another post in this section "Our experience (and we have been using the F2000 since August) is that you will use around $150-200 US a month in ink from general maintenance."

That's $2,400 a year wasted before you print a shirt, I think manual cleaning wins hands down.
One manual clean a week costing less than $1.00 and the odd normal auto head clean costing less than $1.50 that's $200 max a year.

That's one expensive auto cleaning cycle !

 

[spiderx1]

rience (and we have been using the F2000 since nAugust) is that you will use around $150-200 US a monprint head replacement from general maintenance."

That's $2,400 a year wasted before you print a shirt, I think manual cleaning wins hands down.
One manual clean a week costing less than $1.00 and the odd normal auto head clean costing less than $1.50 that's $200 max a year.

That's one expensive auto cleaning cycle ! [/QUOTE]

Wow, one manual clean a week and the occasional odd auto clean. I won't go there.
How much for the person that prints one session every 3 days or leaves for a week.
How much to replace the printhead, the dampers, the lines.
If used everyday the manual cleaning type machines are less expensive in ink etc.
If a person does not use everyday then the Epson cost is mitigated thru down
time and additional cost of other items and lots of wasted ink as well. For years I went thru the process of recovering machines after sitting for 4 days, timed auto cleans, flushing printheads, power cleans, now the epson I turn it on do a nozzle check 1 light clean and it is 100%. My personal experience so far .Really depends on your business model. Pluses and minus to both but it is not as black and white as you would like people to believe.

 

[Resolute DTG]

Of course it's not that black and white, there are a whole lot of other points & costs to be taken into account that I have not mentioned.

I was just answering a post by an F2000 user and commenting on the ink waste and what that costs. The $2,400 a year in wasted ink is a fixed cost, that part is black and white, until the ink cost goes up.

 

[spiderx1]

Actually I prefer to see ink cost go down. lol

 

[scuba_steve2699]

On the demo unit we have from the beginning of December we have opted to skip the flush to see if there were any negative effects from it. So far the only thing I have seen is that I needed to clean the mist sponge a few extra times. This cost me nothing but a little time.

I believe Epson put the flush in there as a cautionary step to prevent issues with the lines and the more data they get back that it is not necessary will lead to a firmware update eliminating it.

BTW Peter - the RIP software does not affect this at all as it is a firmware related function on the printer itself.


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[Jmelwak]

Where is this info on epsons download section. I can't seem to find it. Is it the manual?

 

[spiderx1]

Epson.com> professional imaging> F2000> downloads> epson sure color F2 sales reference guide> page 36. Epson is very open and has well tested ink consumption print times etc.

 

[Jmelwak]

Great thanks just gearing up for delivery and want to go through everything.

 

[ASID Clothing]

On the demo unit we have from the beginning of December we have opted to skip the flush to see if there were any negative effects from it. So far the only thing I have seen is that I needed to clean the mist sponge a few extra times. This cost me nothing but a little time.

I believe Epson put the flush in there as a cautionary step to prevent issues with the lines and the more data they get back that it is not necessary will lead to a firmware update eliminating it.

BTW Peter - the RIP software does not affect this at all as it is a firmware related function on the printer itself.


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With making this statement, this sounds about 5 straight months of ignoring the flush, which could save about $1000 according to other users calculations.

Would you recommend just skipping then? I am all about saving money and if the flush is not necessary, i would just like to ignore it as well. A tiny bit more cleaning of one area is more than worth the amount of ink that will be saved.

 

[JeridHill]

With making this statement, this sounds about 5 straight months of ignoring the flush, which could save about $1000 according to other users calculations.

Would you recommend just skipping then? I am all about saving money and if the flush is not necessary, i would just like to ignore it as well. A tiny bit more cleaning of one area is more than worth the amount of ink that will be saved.

Brandon, if the printer prompts you to do a White Tube Flush and you do not do it, you could void your warranty. You should have received a warranty card. Look in the "What the warranty does not cover" section under letter J.

It also talks about ink misting from improper maintenance.

 

[spiderx1]

Jerid what do u glee from the term recommended when it refers to the tube wash. I believe it's paragraph J in the warranty book that comes with the printer?

 

[JeridHill]

It's my understanding that you need to follow the tube wash when prompted or the warranty could be voided.

 

[4u2bSeen]

To me, the term recommend is nothing more than to suggest. When the ink is low it also recommends to put new ink in even though several more prints can be made. Used every day I can not see how ink in the lines has time to settle. Curious if epson reads these forums.