Epson 1430 with CISInks Question

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · Apr 24, 2014

Finally received the 1430 and just going to unpack and setup and curious if anyone has used the 1430 with the refillable cartridges from CISInks.com?

Their instructions say to insert OEM first and then the refillable carts but I'm wondering if I can go straight to the refillables and not install the OEM at all?

Any experience with this? Thanks!

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sben763

· #2 · Apr 24, 2014

You can just use refillables. The OEM insertion is just to make the printer is working and eliminate any problem with the cartridges.

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 24, 2014

sben763 said:
You can just use refillables. The OEM insertion is just to make the printer is working and eliminate any problem with the cartridges.

OK great to know. Thanks again sben763!

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06G902

· #4 · Apr 28, 2014

Ready2Rock how did that work out?

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djcrazyboy

· #5 · Apr 28, 2014

Ive got the Same Printer..with COBRA ciss pigment inks...Works Perfect!! Enjoy...

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #6 · Apr 29, 2014 (Edited)

06G902 said:
Ready2Rock how did that work out?

The films are dark enough but edge definition is not as good as I thought it would be. I have been printing test pages for hours now and none look razor sharp!

I am using vector art created in Illustrator that includes text. I have tried Golds, Ryonets, and Fixxons films and none have sharp edges. I have aligned the printer head about 30 times along with many nozzle cleanings and still can see some banding on the test squares. Only one row of test squares have a solid square. Is this normal? I hate to think about all the wear on this machine already.

Should all of the Illustrator print preferences be default? I have tried almost all combos from the Epson print pref window and have reduced the problem but it still isn't where it needs to be. With what I have tried the best I've seen from this Epson is about the same as that Canon I spoke about in a different post, so far anyways. I'm just not sure what else to do. I am printing CMYK and have tried 75,75,30,100 & registration black (I believe 100% CMYK).

BTW the CISInks cartridges did not print well at all until I installed the stock that came with it. After I installed the stock and reinstalled the refillables it started to print better.

It all could just be me though because I am convinced now that I am the bad luck guy

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #7 · Apr 30, 2014 (Edited)

After many many test prints along with a 40X loupe and two highly trained opinions (and my own), wife and daughter

I find the best settings for edge definition is photo paper premium semi gloss for Ryonet films on this printer with edge smoothing, max dpi although the test done did not adjust color control settings.

Can anyone tell me about the color control settings? Should they be Epson Vivid, Standard, what should the gamma be set at? One last thing is could pulling the density back a bit help with the edges?

EDIT: I tried those color control settings adjusted also and none really helped. I have some ink from Cobra coming and will see if this is an ink issue. Also still curious if others still have some banding after many many head alignments? Row 1 has 2 squares that are good but the other two rows still have them.

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06G902

· #8 · Apr 30, 2014

Ready, thanks for the updates and info. Right now, I have the 1430 with stock ink. My cobra ink should be here within the next 2 days. I will be using photoshop for most of my stuff.

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #9 · Apr 30, 2014

06G902 said:
Ready, thanks for the updates and info. Right now, I have the 1430 with stock ink. My cobra ink should be here within the next 2 days. I will be using photoshop for most of my stuff.

I would really like to see some other results of edges with this printer and hear if users still get some banding on the print head alignment page. A computer microscope isn't in the budget right now but all I did was made a square in Illustrator and kept moving it over.

I printed about 50 test squares with about 5 of those with different color settings (75 75 35 100, 100 CMYK, etc.). I should add also all test were done with High Speed Printing OFF.

I just spoke to Epson Tech support and they said no bands should appear but I honestly question the reps knowledge. I tried asking about the variable dots and how to invoke which drop size and she had no clue.

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sben763

· #10 · May 1, 2014

Ready can you post a pic of the issue your having. Are you using refillable cartridges or a CISS?

There should be no banding. If there is banding, your either not full on ink, head clog or a supply issue.

If you have refillables there are some that need a vent opened, CISS the filters installed. A CISS requires proper priming by removing the plug on the cartridge portion and and using a syringe and pulling ink out a few times.

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 3, 2014

sben763 said:
Ready can you post a pic of the issue your having. Are you using refillable cartridges or a CISS?

There should be no banding. If there is banding, your either not full on ink, head clog or a supply issue.

If you have refillables there are some that need a vent opened, CISS the filters installed. A CISS requires proper priming by removing the plug on the cartridge portion and and using a syringe and pulling ink out a few times.

Thanks Sean, I used the stock inks and refillable carts of CISInks black dye for head alignment. The top row of test squares has 2 squares with no banding but row 2 and 3 both will not align no matter how many times I clean and align the heads.

The inks are all full, vents removed, carts primed (by printer). I'm pretty sure the heads are damaged (from what Epson said) and especially since you said you don't have any banding.

It was purchased online so maybe something happened during shipping. Hopefully the seller will work with me on this so I'm not stuck with it.

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sben763

· #12 · May 3, 2014

The head alignment will always look like it has banding in some of the squares. If you get a good nozzle check then the head is firing correctly. The head alignment should only be done after a good nozzle check. I use a loop to find the best numbers. The closer to the middle the better. I find if you pick the closest numbers then finish go back into head alignment works better then realignment if no good alignments to pick from. If you print with the high speed off a head alignment isn't even needed. It is only important when printing in both directions.

What graphics program do you print out of. Do you have a good scanner. I could send you a test file to test each channel.

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #13 · May 3, 2014 (Edited)

sben763 said:
The head alignment will always look like it has banding in some of the squares. If you get a good nozzle check then the head is firing correctly. The head alignment should only be done after a good nozzle check. I use a loop to find the best numbers. The closer to the middle the better. I find if you pick the closest numbers then finish go back into head alignment works better then realignment if no good alignments to pick from. If you print with the high speed off a head alignment isn't even needed. It is only important when printing in both directions.

What graphics program do you print out of. Do you have a good scanner. I could send you a test file to test each channel.

Good to know about finishing instead of realignment. I was just doing the realignment each time. I did finish it a couple times and reopen but still had some banding on all squares in row 2 and 3.

The only reason I turned high speed off was because of the lines not being sharp I thought maybe the higher speed was causing some splatter and it did help some with edge definition but even my best film print still shows choppy edges on screen and especially under loupe on film.

We use Illustrator CS6 with a HP Officejet 4622 for scanning/copying, I think it's OK for our general uses but not sure what you had in mind. When you say test each channel you are just talking about the 6 different print heads/colors? I have printed color images with the stock ink and the color appears to be very good with no banding, generally good quality except that crisp clean edge. All of my ink levels are going down so I think I am printing with all of them. I use the register black as my final black for films.

Thanks again for your help Sean.

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Ready2Rock

Discussion Starter · #14 · May 6, 2014

Went downstate today and picked up a 1430 and now my print heads align and the edges look much much better. I am still having issues with some font edges but it's not the printer, that's the art (different thread).

I am still waiting on different refillable carts that I can use the Cobra Ink in. I will do some tests and see if either print better on film or screen

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