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Hello, was just wondering if I could have a second of your time to ask you for some feedback, input, or suggestions about flash dryers and my research. I will be using this to cure plastisol ink.

Originally I thought about getting this flash dryer off ebay:
16x16" 1700watt for $280

Then I saw a post about ANOTHER/different/similar flash dryer on ebay saying the coils are far apart and should be avoided. -Original thread: http://www.t-shirtforums.com/screen-printing-equipment/t110293.html#post646744
This is NOT regarding the flash dryer I posted the link to, see the thread for flash dryer in question. The post is as follows:
I would steer VERY clear of that flash. Look at the heating element! The coils are spaced so far apart you will NOT have even curing/flashing with that unit. You will have a very hard time getting even heat on your substrate. I know our emitters' coils are on 1" centers, which make them extremely efficient. Plus, 16x16 is a little smaller than I'd prefer to use. a 12x12 image will be tough to even flash with a 16x16 heating element, the further towards the outside your image is in relation to the element, the less heat it will see.
After seeing this I was a bit deterred and it made me want to get one with an infrared element. Although, another user says the flash dryer the post discusses is, "a great price for a great working flash dryer." -Original post: http://www.t-shirtforums.com/screen-printing-equipment/t104298.html#post609951

What it comes down to is: Should I just spend a couple hundred extra dollars to get a Black Body or Econo Flash dryer?

What I'm starting to lean toward is the $400 Econo Flash dryer 16x16" 1600watt mainly because of the infrared element seems like it would heat more evenly than coils.

I've seen people saying good things about Black Body flash dryers, but the price is a bit higher ($455 16x16" 1600watt)

The 18x18" black body seems a bit out of my price range at $541, is it worth it to have the larger size?

In other words, should I spend the extra money or would the ebay dryer ($280, first link) get the job done? Is the black body worth the extra $55? Is 16x16" a good size or how necessary is an 18x18"? What about used equipment?

Any input, help, advice, opinions, feedback, or comments will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and assistance.
 

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i would def get the biggest you can afford,Also i would be more inclined to buy a good used one instaed of a 300.00 flash...important tool...you dont want cheap. keep looking on ebay for used. I just recently scored a hopkinns flash, a 4clr1 station hopkins press,exposure unit(vacuum) 1/2 doz. newman frames..inks squeegee and a box of jericho tshirts for 600.00.
Thats the deal you want to find.
 

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Scott,

I can't speak for the quality of his dryers myself. I can only tell you that he uses quality panels.That guy uses Intek IR panels for his dryers. The basic components are the panel, some insulation, junction box, light switch, cord, and case.

If you are mechanically inclined you can build the one that he sells for around $200.

The panel is $117
Insulation <$20
Misc ceramic parts <$20
J-box $2
Switch (20A) $15
Cord $20
Metal case $25 (material)
Could probably have the case built for $50 or so.

I built my 16x16 for <$200, but I did the metal work myself. I would also recommend the 18x20 because my 16x16 is too small some times.
 

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My bad! The first time i watched that video. I thought the cardboard drawing was the element he was using. It was a late night. He does nice metal work. I am not crazy about the wood handle. He is a little high on is pricing. You can buy the complete panel from Intec for a little cheaper.

QUICK Silver ECONO DRYERS No lighted rocker switch and no chassis fan
· Patented INTEK heating element · Easy-clean powder coated black/silver finish
· 9 ft. prewired power cord and plug* · 1 year warranty · Heavy duty industrial design, 20 ga. steel
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Each Model QS QUICK SILVER heater may be used alone or with adjustable floor stand or variable heat control (sold separately)
MODEL WATTS VOLTS AMPS OUTPUT AREA DIMENSIONS WEIGHT PRICE

ECO1616.120 1600 115 14 16² x 16² 16² x 18 5/8² x 2 5/8² 18 lbs. $280
*Includes NEMA 5-15 plug 406mm x 406mm 406mm x 473mm x 67mm 8.2 kg
ECO1616.240 1600 230 7.0 16² x 16² 16² x 18 5/8² x 2 5/8² 18 lbs. $280
*Includes NEMA 6-15 plug 406mm x 406mm 406mm x 473mm x 67mm 8.2 kg
ECO1818.120 2000 115 17 18² x 18² 18² x 20 5/8² x 2 5/8² 21 lbs. $360
*Includes NEMA 5-20 plug 457mm x 457mm 457mm x 525mm x 67mm 9.5 kg
ECO1818.240 2500 230 11 18² x 18² 18² x 20 5/8² x 2 5/8² 21 lbs. $360
*Includes NEMA 6-15 plug 457mm x 457mm 457mm x 525mm x 67mm 9.5 kg
ECO1820.120 2300 115 20 18² x 20² 18² x 22 5/8² x 2 5/8² 22 lbs. $395
*Includes NEMA 5-20 plug 457mm x 508mm 457mm x 525mm x 67mm 9.5 kg
ECO1820.240 3200 230 14 18² x 20² 18² x 22 5/8² x 2 5/8² 22 lbs. $395
*Includes NEMA 6-15 plug 457mm x 508mm 457mm x 575mm x 67mm 10.0 kg
 

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This is a current price list for the Intec IR Panels Note** this is just the panel.

16” x 16” 120V/ 700W/6A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 120V/1600W/14A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 120V/1800W/15A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 240V/1600W/7A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 240V/1800W/8A (f) - $153​
18” x 18” 120V/1950W/18A (f) - $178​
18” x 18” 120V/2300W/20A (f) - $178​
18” x 18” 240V/2500W/11A (f) - $178​
18" x 18" 240V/3000W/15A (c) - $178​
18" x 20" 120V/2314W/20A (f) - $198​
18" x 20" 240V/3015W/13A (c) - $198​
18” x 22” 208V/4000W/20A (c) - $217​
18” x 22” 240V/4000W/18A (c) - $217​
18” x 24” 240V/3000W/13A (c) - $237​
18” x 24” 240V/4500W/20A (c) - $237​
 

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This is a current price list for the Intec IR Panels Note** this is just the panel.

16” x 16” 120V/ 700W/6A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 120V/1600W/14A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 120V/1800W/15A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 240V/1600W/7A (f) - $153​
16” x 16” 240V/1800W/8A (f) - $153​
18” x 18” 120V/1950W/18A (f) - $178​
18” x 18” 120V/2300W/20A (f) - $178​
18” x 18” 240V/2500W/11A (f) - $178​
18" x 18" 240V/3000W/15A (c) - $178​
18" x 20" 120V/2314W/20A (f) - $198​
18" x 20" 240V/3015W/13A (c) - $198​
18” x 22” 208V/4000W/20A (c) - $217​
18” x 22” 240V/4000W/18A (c) - $217​
18” x 24” 240V/3000W/13A (c) - $237​
18” x 24” 240V/4500W/20A (c) - $237​
Holy crap!

I wonder if they got pressured by manufacturers who use their panels. Some of those have nearly DOUBLED in the last 9 months.
 

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Interesting, Quicksilver Econo 120 volt 18x18 opening heat panel (18x20 dims.) on the price list from June of 2009...
$316.00

This is the panel in the quicksilver casing with no stand, fan or rocker switch.
 

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Thanks to everyone who has replied!

I would also suggest purchasing the larger flash. I have a 16x16 econo flash and from the first job knew it was a mistake.
That's very interesting.. I'll have to keep that in mind. That's the mistake I do not want to make, put money into something when I could have invested it in something better.

Do you guys suggest building your own flash dyer? I haven't thought about that before, but it doesn't sound like a bad idea. When you only get the "panel" are these the other parts needed to complete it?
The basic components are the panel, some insulation, junction box, light switch, cord, and case.

If you are mechanically inclined you can build the one that he sells for around $200.

The panel is $117
Insulation <$20
Misc ceramic parts <$20
J-box $2
Switch (20A) $15
Cord $20
Metal case $25 (material)
Could probably have the case built for $50 or so.

I built my 16x16 for <$200, but I did the metal work myself. I would also recommend the 18x20 because my 16x16 is too small some times.
Also what size would you recommend to go with? It sounds like 16x16" is too small. Is 18x20" good for most prints?
 

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Well that depends. Are you mechanically, and electrically minded? For a 18x 18 panel from Intek. I paid $214 and change 2 weeks ago. That is including shipping. What I got was the panel, 2' of wire, 2 ceramic wire nuts, 2 heat treated barrel connectors, two 2 piece ceramic grommets, and 2" of insulation. All that was $215 shipped. You will need to make a housing for the panel, and a stand. The stand is easy. The housing is a little more challenging. You could also buy the complete panel and housing from Intek for $360+s/h and build your stand.

If you build the housing yourself you will need:
metal
power cord
switch ( you do not have to have one. you can just unplug it to turn it off)
Junction box if you use a switch.
 

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Ok, so I have been thinking it over and decided I'm going to get the Intek Quicksilver econo dryer, (ECO1820.120) 18x20" for $395, and we are going to build our own stand.

Before I made the purchase can anyone offer any last minute input?
 

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good choice! If i had it to do over i would get the 18x20 too. i thought 18x18 would be large enough, but i do a lot of over sized prints. you loose a inch right of the bat, and the corners are always cooler than the middle.
 

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just take a look at the power,then you can find if they can satisfy your plastisol ink 350 degree need,just 1700w,can it reach 350degree?
 
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