[PPop]

With good pretreating, and good curing, How many normal "throw in the washing machine, outside out" washes do you get with the current Dupont Inks on Black T-Shirts before the image is degraded?

I've been testing the Dupont Ink prints against the Brother 782 prints. It seems like the Brother 782 ink is "more durable" but I need a wider sample pool, especially with the Dupont Inks to base a conclusion.

Thanks for your help.

 

[PPop]

Anyone?

I'm sure you're wearing a Dupont Ink DTG printed shirt right now thats been washed 5 - 10 - 15 - 20 - 25+ times.

How's it look? I really need information about how many times it gets washed before the image fades, degrades, & pinholes, fibers, or flakes start showing thru, etc.

Thank you.

 

[QV]

in our case we have shirts that have been washed a good 5-10 times already and the shirt fades before the print, this was on Allstyle shirts.

 

[TahoeTomahawk]

Here are some prints I did around my birthday Dec 2007.
Both of these shirts I wear regularly.

This print was my first experimentation with vinyl + DTG. The print is supposed to be somewhat distressed. Notice how the Vinyl has wear and puckering but the print seems to hold up nicely.

On this print, notice that gray area seems to be peeling off yet the white solid lettering is still in tact. Not sure why.

 

[PPop]

I went to the NBM Show in Long Beach Today.

I asked DTG (SWF Mesa) and Brother "How Many Washes before the image starts to show pinholes etc"

I got "I've got 50 washes" from one of the guys at Brother, and I think 25+ from Mesa. This was their experience of washes with the shirt itself fading but the print staying "better than the shirt" vs a perfect print staying perfect...

I asked the Brother guys if their Inks are the most durable because this was my conclusion, and they said "Yes, Brother Inks are the most durable" which was nice to hear...

 

[vinyl signs]

I asked the Brother guys if their Inks are the most durable because this was my conclusion, and they said "Yes, Brother Inks are the most durable" which was nice to hear...

Every manufacturer I ever asked a question like this always said that theirs is the best! What else would you expect to hear from them?

 

[FatKat Printz]

what we did before we bought our dtg printer was take the sample shirts and wash them in every load of laundry for about 2 weeks. We didn't wash in gentle cycles just wash and dried them almost everyday...with towels, white clothes, and darks didn't matter

(we like to do laundry) if your plan is buy soon then do this do more loads but if your plan is for a future date then try it.

Well, dupont ink prints held up the best in that matter of time. Of course these were pretreated correctly. Our first trial shirts weren't that great but once we got the pretreat down and the printer actually printed right. Our shirts were like Adams...the shirt fades before the image.

 

[bigbang]

At what temp. did you wash it?
In my case the Dupont inks started to fade after 2 washes at 40 C|!!!

 

[JeridHill]

At what temp. did you wash it?
In my case the Dupont inks started to fade after 2 washes at 40 C|!!!

40˚C is way too low for DuPont inks.

165˚C for 2 minutes on whites and 3 minutes on darks

OR

175˚C for 1 minute on whites and 2 minutes on darks.

 

[bigbang]

Thanks,

How many washes at 40 C can it last?

 

[JeridHill]

Thanks,

How many washes at 40 C can it last?

Well you are the only one I know curing at that temperature and you said 2 washes until it fades, so I imagine that would be the answer.

Now if you meant to say the temperatures I mentioned above, then I know of shirts that have been washed for a couple of years and still good great.

 

[Printzilla]

I think he means the water temp of the wash is 40c. Which is 104f. A warm water cycle.

 

[JeridHill]

I think he means the water temp of the wash is 40c. Which is 104f. A warm water cycle.

hahaha, sometimes simple statements like this are over my head!

 

[FatKat Printz]

hahaha, sometimes simple statements like this are over my head!

Haha .. I thought you were talking water temperatures too.. I was like what the hell..I have no idea what my washer and dryers settings are...

I just throw them in warm/warm settings.. I barely wash anything in cold water.

 

[bigbang]

The curing was at 170C for around 3 minutes.
The washing temp. was 40C and the CMYK started to fade after 2 washes.

 

[JeridHill]

After the first minute, did you lift up your press to release the moisture?

 

[bigbang]

I did that as well.
I was told that 40 C (104 F) is too high and only cols wash must be used.

Did you get more than 5 washes at 40C with no change or fade in the CMYK layer over the white?

 

[JeridHill]

We have many washes several time over without fade, especially on darks. I cure at 175C for one minute, then lift and do one more minute. I know others that will do 165C three times at one minute increments. If it's doing it on your dark garments it could be a pretreat issue. I assume you are using the dupont pretreatment? How heavy or light are you applying it?

 

[Printzilla]

Fading is something rare for me. Were the inks in current date? Are you talking about a black or white shirt?

 

[bigbang]

I did all the options but still no good results.

A dark shirt after 5-10 washes should should have no visible change in the print. I sthat wrong?