It's not a good idea to use your printer as a Sublimation printer and a Standard Printer.
Do you need a CIS to do dye sub?
I'm jumping into dye sub to see how I like it. Personally I like the fact you can print on mugs etc. But I dont want to go all out with a cis, now I may have been stupid on this part but I went and got empty cartridges for my epson workforce 645. I did this due to I want to be able and use my printer as a dye sub and standard printer. My question is it necessary to have a CIS or is it ok to use cartridges? I may upgrade if the dye sub takes off.
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hey...it think its not neccessary.... ???
I'm curious why its not good to use the same printer?It's not a good idea to use your printer as a Sublimation printer and a Standard Printer.
It's not a good idea to use your printer as a Sublimation printer and a Standard Printer.
I have been doing it for years with refillable carts. The only real downside is that if you are in expensive inks the auto head clean when changing carts will waste some ink.
If you not using one of the inks a lot but use mainly one ink set and only occassionly the other inks then this is a good option. If you have to switch back and forth frequently then best to have 2 printers each dedicated with their own ink set.
You cannot use dye-sub inks as regular inks. You can change the type of ink a printer uses but it is not good for it to constantly change back and forth. If you use it as a dye sub printer for awhile and decide you don't like it and would rather have a regular printer, you would want to run "blank" carts of distilled water (or cleaning fluid if it's clogged) to clean it out before switching.
You don't need a CIS but if your carts require removal to reset-to-full then you will have trouble with getting air in the printhead every time you refill.
You don't need a CIS but if your carts require removal to reset-to-full then you will have trouble with getting air in the printhead every time you refill.
You can use refillable carts, you need bulk inks in bottles for that. SG is not supporting refillable carts but you can still buy Artanium inks in bulk bottles at half price or less on Ebay and put in that printer. The WF30 Artanium profile works for all current Epson 4 color printers.I'm jumping into dye sub to see how I like it. Personally I like the fact you can print on mugs etc. But I dont want to go all out with a cis, now I may have been stupid on this part but I went and got empty cartridges for my epson workforce 645. I did this due to I want to be able and use my printer as a dye sub and standard printer. My question is it necessary to have a CIS or is it ok to use cartridges? I may upgrade if the dye sub takes off.
No No NoYou cannot use dye-sub inks as regular inks. You can change the type of ink a printer uses but it is not good for it to constantly change back and forth. If you use it as a dye sub printer for awhile and decide you don't like it and would rather have a regular printer, you would want to run "blank" carts of distilled water (or cleaning fluid if it's clogged) to clean it out before switching.
You don't need a CIS but if your carts require removal to reset-to-full then you will have trouble with getting air in the printhead every time you refill.
That is not correct, you do not need to use cleaning fluid in any desktop Epson that had carts installed unless you are trying to clean out a clog. If switching inks only you do not need to clean or purge out the old inks.
Once the printer recognizes a new set of carts the old ink is completly displaced by a auto head clean. Epson desktop printer have the carts directly over the print head and hold a min amout of ink that is dispaced by a head clean. There are no real ink lines as with a larger format EPson or a Ricoh printer.
I know this from using just about every Epson desktop printer since ink jet sublimation was first available.
Constantly changing back and forth I wouldn't advise but if you are using one ink set mainly and the other ocassionly swapping carts is not an issue. I have done it for years.
Removing the carts to reset will not get air in your carts, most new cart designs require to remove for reset. I use those all the time and reset taking them out of the printer. Incorrect refilling gets you air problems.
Several refill companies on another forum have all mentioned that they have had customers switch directly from dye to pigment (not much discussion of dye-sub) and the different ink types "curdled" and badly clogged the printhead. I have directly swapped as well but it is not something I would recommend someone else do without knowing exactly which company the ink came from and whether they have seen a similar issue.
There are carts that auto-reset at 10% as well as carts that look like a CIS damper array that have a reset button that do not require you to take anything out of the printer, ever.
There are carts that auto-reset at 10% as well as carts that look like a CIS damper array that have a reset button that do not require you to take anything out of the printer, ever.
Yes there are different kind of carts with different resets.Several refill companies on another forum have all mentioned that they have had customers switch directly from dye to pigment (not much discussion of dye-sub) and the different ink types "curdled" and badly clogged the printhead. I have directly swapped as well but it is not something I would recommend someone else do without knowing exactly which company the ink came from and whether they have seen a similar issue.
There are carts that auto-reset at 10% as well as carts that look like a CIS damper array that have a reset button that do not require you to take anything out of the printer, ever.
I know from experience there is no ink "curdling", it's possible that someone had a cart that it's valve was bad and caused a problem, as I mentioned I have been swapping carts over many Epson models and over many years zero issues.
This is using several brands of sub inks and numerous 3rd party pigment inks along with Epson OEM inks. In an Epson when a new cart is recognized a head clean is done automatically, the old inks are completely displaced. The old inks don't stay in the printer long enough for any reactions, they are pushed out immediatly when the cart is recognized.
Mike, I know you used several inks for your machines over several years. However, if a Supplier uses a few inks they're talking about all their customers not just one person.
You might have used 100 different scenarios, ink, printers, etc. Where they have thousands of customers with many scenarios.
Fenrir, also didn't say Epson only. He just said different Inks. So we don't really know if they used Epson, Canon, HP, etc.
Before you answer, yes I see Kiss said an Epson.
You might have used 100 different scenarios, ink, printers, etc. Where they have thousands of customers with many scenarios.
Fenrir, also didn't say Epson only. He just said different Inks. So we don't really know if they used Epson, Canon, HP, etc.
Before you answer, yes I see Kiss said an Epson.
This is a sublimation forum, this means Epson or Ricoh on the desktop, Ricoh's do not have CIS or refillables.
From Sawgrass
http://sawgrassink.indigofiles.com/...ainum/AT_WF30_QSG-EF_BIS_R-3W_19Feb10-jcr.pdf
No purging with cleaning fluids curdling etc.
With a CIS you also need OEM carts so that if you get a difficult clog you need to eliminate the CIS as the trouble or if the printer, in that case you install OEM carts for troubleshooting.
Sawgrass Technologies - Epson Stylus C88/C88+
Troubleshooting missing nozzles on an C88/88+ using SubliJet, ChromaBlast or ArTainium Cartridges
Check that the ink has not expired.
If the OEM nozzle check is complete reinstall the Sawgrass ink cartridges and perform one (1) head cleaning then a nozzle check. If the nozzle check with Sawgrass ink is still incomplete perform one (1) head cleaning and one (1) more nozzle check. If the nozzle check is still incomplete contact Sawgrass Technical Support for assistance."
No purging with cleaning fluids curdling etc.
From Sawgrass
http://sawgrassink.indigofiles.com/...ainum/AT_WF30_QSG-EF_BIS_R-3W_19Feb10-jcr.pdf
"Before you begin...
Before you install the ArTainium EasyFlow Bulk Ink System, you should setup the Epson printer with the Epson supplied inks and driver. This will allow you to conduct a nozzle check to ensure the printer is working properly."
Before you install the ArTainium EasyFlow Bulk Ink System, you should setup the Epson printer with the Epson supplied inks and driver. This will allow you to conduct a nozzle check to ensure the printer is working properly."
No purging with cleaning fluids curdling etc.
With a CIS you also need OEM carts so that if you get a difficult clog you need to eliminate the CIS as the trouble or if the printer, in that case you install OEM carts for troubleshooting.
Sawgrass Technologies - Epson Stylus C88/C88+
Troubleshooting missing nozzles on an C88/88+ using SubliJet, ChromaBlast or ArTainium Cartridges
Check that the ink has not expired.
- Make sure the vent seal from the top of the cartridge is completely removed from over the small hole and narrow channel. The vent seal is a silver, foil-like adhesive that covers the vent on the top of the cartridge. When removing, it is common to see a small amount of ink released, and there is a chance there may be some ‘bubbling’. This is not leaking, just ink coming through the vent holes as a result of pressure.
- Ensure the plastic film over the round opening at the bottom of the cartridge is punctured.
- Remove the Sawgrass ink cartridges and install the Epson ink cartridges for your printer (OEM). Be careful when removing the cartridges. Depending on how positioned you could see minimal ink leakage. After installing OEM, perform a nozzle check.
If the OEM nozzle check is complete reinstall the Sawgrass ink cartridges and perform one (1) head cleaning then a nozzle check. If the nozzle check with Sawgrass ink is still incomplete perform one (1) head cleaning and one (1) more nozzle check. If the nozzle check is still incomplete contact Sawgrass Technical Support for assistance."
No purging with cleaning fluids curdling etc.
I have to say thank you all for the great information. You guys gave me lots to think about. I wasn't going to swap the cartridges out all the time. Was thinking get a lot of dye sub items printed then change it back. But this might not be done, I don't know if you can print some dye sub transfers up days ahead of time.
The transfers can store if you keep then in a cool dry environment is a sealed plastic bag that has a Desiccant in the bag and suggest to stack the transfers with plain paper in between the transfers.I have to say thank you all for the great information. You guys gave me lots to think about. I wasn't going to swap the cartridges out all the time. Was thinking get a lot of dye sub items printed then change it back. But this might not be done, I don't know if you can print some dye sub transfers up days ahead of time.
But for a short period the Desiccant shouldn't be needed.
Desiccants are often found in electronic products stuffed in the packaging. You printer may have been packed with one or two.
Desiccant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thanks for that information yeah got lots of those packets so all is good. This is why I like this forum.The transfers can store if you keep then in a cool dry environment is a sealed plastic bag that has a Desiccant in the bag and suggest to stack the transfers with plain paper in between the transfers.
But for a short period the Desiccant shouldn't be needed.
Desiccants are often found in electronic products stuffed in the packaging. You printer may have been packed with one or two.
Desiccant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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