[matesdesign]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any experience of using the above papers and what the differences are?

Forever make the quote that their laser-dark paper has an almost ‘screen print’ like feel and the WoW 7.8 dark transfer paper claims to be ‘soft to the touch.’

I’d be using them in conjunction with the OKI pro7411 white toner laser printer.

Many thanks for any help,
Sean.

 

[oldsewandsew]

I have the OKI Pro8432WT printer and have now used both the WOW paper and the Forever laser dark low-temp paper. The only consistency I have been able to achieve with any paper is the Forever laser dark. I could never get the "recipe" of heat, pressure, and time correct with the WOW paper. I kept messing up shirt after shirt and using more and more paper. Why did I mess up so many shirts? Because I would test and test and test on practice shirts until I got three in a row tries to come out correctly and then press onto a shirt only to have it mess up. Very frustrating and costly! I just recently found the correct recipe for Forever laser dark (see a previous post of mine), thanks to some other generous folks on this forum. It is consistent every time. In order to get my money back on the printer, I will stick with Forever laser dark.

 

[Lnfortun]

I have the OKI Pro8432WT printer and have now used both the WOW paper and the Forever laser dark low-temp paper. The only consistency I have been able to achieve with any paper is the Forever laser dark. I could never get the "recipe" of heat, pressure, and time correct with the WOW paper. I kept messing up shirt after shirt and using more and more paper. Why did I mess up so many shirts? Because I would test and test and test on practice shirts until I got three in a row tries to come out correctly and then press onto a shirt only to have it mess up. Very frustrating and costly! I just recently found the correct recipe for Forever laser dark (see a previous post of mine), thanks to some other generous folks on this forum. It is consistent every time. In order to get my money back on the printer, I will stick with Forever laser dark.

You did not mention the feel that the OP was asking. How is the durability BTW. My experience with Forever is it feels like plastic, had crinkle sound like paper or plastic. It cracks too.

 

[oldsewandsew]

I am so recently figuring out the process, I have no durability results as yet. Also, I do not expect this to compare really to screen print. I have a Roland Versacamm that I do printed vinyl on and I really want it to be better than that. I think it is.

 

[mrsgegesimon]

I tried the paper a year or so ago. It was a softer feel than Neenah's Jet Opaque but I never got feedback from any of the clients as far as durability. I loved the look of the blended colors on the black shirts but I didn't enjoy marrying the sheets after printing.

 

[paradigmprint]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any experience of using the above papers and what the differences are?

Forever make the quote that their laser-dark paper has an almost ‘screen print’ like feel and the WoW 7.8 dark transfer paper claims to be ‘soft to the touch.’

I’d be using them in conjunction with the OKI pro7411 white toner laser printer.

Many thanks for any help,
Sean.

I think I've tried pretty much ever paper on the market (and a couple out of Taiwan) and I continually migrate back to Forever for use with my OKI920WT. It has been about 98% problem free and with thousands upon thousands of shirts out there, and many ongoing repeat orders, I have not had a single complaint regarding durability using the paper.

If used properly and according to instructions - plus I use ForeverRIP software on larger images - I'm finding that shirts wear out before the wear on the image becomes a real issue.

ALL Laser paper will eventually crack at the seams of the shirts. But, my experience is, (and I had a customer tell me this), if someone is gonna be standing close enough to me to be able to see it, they'd better be ready to take me out for a nice dinner afterwards.

 

[cleggy]

I've tried both but have better results with Forever. Also, placement is much easier and more accurate with Forever as its on a clear sheet. This also helps if things go a bit wrong and you need to reapply a bit of the transfer.
Washability on Wow and Forever isn't that good compared to other print methods and both will crack and fade over time.

 

[1ArmBandit]

, if someone is gonna be standing close enough to me to be able to see it, they'd better be ready to take me out for a nice dinner afterwards.

lol! yesss!

 

[rogeroxton]

If you want your shirts to feel really soft you need to print the Forever Laser Dark No-Cut using their Transfer Rip, by laying down less toner, it not only saves you toner costs but makes for a softer feel and much improved wash. Since we started using the Rip we have had no complaints of cracking in the wash.

 

[paradigmprint]

I've had no complaints either ..... was simply pointing out that there is no way to avoid some level of cracking with any laser transfer. TransferRIP absolutely is the way to go. I personally prefer to let customers know that the durability will never be equivalent to screen print ...... and address that challenge head on. I find my customers seem to appreciate the honesty, have never (to my knowledge) lost a sale because of it.

 

[tfalk]

Since we started using the Rip we have had no complaints of cracking in the wash.

Would you mind sharing the settings you use? Percentage fill-up spot and particularly which screener settings? I've been playing with the rip and have not found a combination of settings that result in a full color design that to my eye is something I can sell.

 

[TABOB]

Would you mind sharing the settings you use? Percentage fill-up spot and particularly which screener settings? I've been playing with the rip and have not found a combination of settings that result in a full color design that to my eye is something I can sell.

The RIP is just the tool, and it is only really useful when you want to add more than 100% toner density. Everything else can be done without it. If you want less than 100% toner for example, you can simply reduce the opacity of the design, or a particular color.

The idea here is to have a designed crack, where the crack is likely to form. You will notice that thin horizontal lines will crack, but thin vertical line will not. This is because T-shirts have a lot of horizontal stretchability, but not much vertical.


WoW 7.8 is not good! Maybe because they have lower selling volume, and the paper goes bad. Stick to fresh Neenah and FOREVER papers.