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I believe because your posts look for conflict,not discussion.Everytime I read one of your posts it seems like that is what your trying to do.Sorry.On another note-The Mod 1 blows away the anajet.
I am certainly not looking for conflict just real answers-discussion of the benefits of various machines if you will... you must not be reading my posts if you think they are depicting conflict, I have helped many a people here regarding the mechanicals of the epson machine and have worked with a rip software developer directly aswell.. I know how these machines work in depth!!! the only issues i have had are here on the brother thread.. so if telling the truth is a crime and asking questions here im guilty!!!:)

i just posted the vid regarding my stand on speed anajet will print at 720 under two minutes and a quaility sellable image... i dont understand what the conflict is "its truth in imformation"

second... your prolly referring to the diary thread post regarding brother inks do include solvents "i was told they did not" on the thread. i proved that they indeed do!!! maybe your the one if im not mistaken that said it didnt belong on that thread to start a new one?

so its not conflict its TRUTH in information is the correct term!!! sorry if you view this differently.. ;) you have people reading the posts that are considering purchases and these are thousands of dollars they will be dropping...facts should be laid out accordingly so people can make the best informed decisions on purchases with different experiences of different users of the software-machinery... otherwise this would just be a big ad campaign for the manufacturers would it not? I am not bias to any machine and love the digital technology and have said repeatly i admire the brother machine and its solvent content ink for washability!!! conflict certainly not!!!
 

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Lol - it kills me that you would think that you can tell from a video that the product is sellable. It also amuses me that you would trust anything that comes from Anajet. The video you posted contains a multitude of falsehoods.

Only American made DTG. WRONG
Only one that can print on polyester. WRONG
Built from the ground up. WRONG
Fastest in the industry. WRONG

It is not a matter of disagreeing. It is a matter of facts. It is not different user opinions. Your opinion does not break the laws of time and space, or if it does you should be working on something a little more important than a DIY DTG.

Every image I have received printed 720x720 white layer one pass from any vendor, manufacturer, or reseller has been of an unacceptable quality.( in my opinion, just wanted to demonstrate the difference in opinion and fact) If the 1800/1900 can produce such great images, why don't those in the business print with it? Why wouldn't Jerid and the Belquette staff correct me during my pre purchase phase? Surely it would have been to their benefit to show me how much faster the mod1 is. Especially when they knew I was looking at the 782, and specifically requested head to head print speed comparisons.

You say you like to ask questions and get real answers, but then proceed to argue about the real life answers, from actual real life users, this is why I decided to forgo any further discussion.

Printzilla signing off for good. Good luck and good night......:)

the only answers i have recieved are from you, regarding the subject.. and i dont agree..

just as you said brothers ink didnt include solvents and they do... so you do not know everything you might think you do..

and i have no interest in disscussing these differences with biased and or proud ego,s either

best of luck on your ventures..:)
 

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i just posted the vid regarding my stand on speed anajet will print at 720 under two minutes and a quaility sellable image... i dont understand what the conflict is "its truth in imformation"
I would suggest buying 3 Anajet Sprints in that case. Start a diary like Printzilla did for the GT-782 and get the *real* facts out there about the speed and quality of a 1800/1900 based printer.
 

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I would suggest buying 3 Anajet Sprints in that case. Start a diary like Printzilla did for the GT-782 and get the *real* facts out there about the speed and quality of a 1800/1900 based printer.

there is no need..i use 2- r1900 base printers and the same software;)

I see what it can do everyday!!! and it will certainly print a quaility sellable image at the 720 res;) very fast!! thats a fact of first hand use.. and i guess i do have a diary of sorts in the mission thread in the neighborhood of some 38,000 visits..:) I had better get back to my side..think i may have interupted the printing "gods":D
 

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there is no need..i use 2- r1900 base printers and the same software;)

I see what it can do everyday!!! and it will certainly print a quaility sellable image at the 720 res;) very fast!! thats a fact of first hand use.. and i guess i do have a diary of sorts in the mission thread in the neighborhood of some 38,000 visits..:) I had better get back to my side..think i may have interupted the printing "gods":D
Why would any GT-782 owners want to skew statistics to convince other people to purchase a machine that may or may not give a competitive advantage?

To be honest... I'd rather no one else bought a GT-782.

Printzilla doesn't sell the GT-782. Wholesale Print doesn't sell the GT-782. I don't sell the GT-782. We have really nothing to gain by sharing positive feedback on the machine. There is no ink and supply fairy that visits us if we post nice things about the printer.

By the same token if something about the machine didn't work, getting people riled up on the Internet seems to work well as a pressure point on companies so if there were horrid painful problems with the printer, I think you'd see them.

Basically, this entire disagreement about print quality and print speed is about selling the merits of your "invention" - the T-Dozer?

Is it because you are going to be selling or have already started selling a 1900 based printer?
 

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Why would any GT-782 owners want to skew statistics to convince other people to purchase a machine that may or may not give a competitive advantage?

To be honest... I'd rather no one else bought a GT-782.

Printzilla doesn't sell the GT-782. Wholesale Print doesn't sell the GT-782. I don't sell the GT-782. We have really nothing to gain by sharing positive feedback on the machine. There is no ink and supply fairy that visits us if we post nice things about the printer.

By the same token if something about the machine didn't work, getting people riled up on the Internet seems to work well as a pressure point on companies so if there were horrid painful problems with the printer, I think you'd see them.

Basically, this entire disagreement about print quality and print speed is about selling the merits of your "invention" - the T-Dozer?

Is it because you are going to be selling or have already started selling a 1900 based printer?

you have to be kidding me!!!! you cant be serious :D i can direct you to the post where i provided the diydtg info free if you would like...

seriously, if i wanted to sell something it woundnt be on the forum... and if this were the case i would have sold the plans and or bundled-branded rip and cleaned house!!! this is a much easier senario than building a machine!! i did none of this!!! again if i sell something it will not be on the forum

just to be clear im not suggesting anyone is skewing statistics... I disagree with the comment that an epson (anajet) cant produce a quality sellable image at 720 res at under two minutes.. and the im not going to talk to you because i dont agree with you!!!

I dont know how things get so skewed on this brother thread.. I asked a question regarding-ink cost-speed comparisons to a 1800-1900 based epson machine because it is my understanding the printzilla ink cost comparison was based off of a 2200 epson based machine!!!

then it went into software questions and resolutions... there was a statement made that the anajet could not produce a quaility sellable image at a 720 res..i posted a vid of it doing so.. this i dont agree with i can do this on a home build with the same software... and others can attest to the same results!!

then the comments in the video were attacked!!

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Lol - it kills me that you would think that you can tell from a video that the product is sellable. It also amuses me that you would trust anything that comes from Anajet. The video you posted contains a multitude of falsehoods.

Only American made DTG. WRONG
Only one that can print on polyester. WRONG
Built from the ground up. WRONG
Fastest in the industry. WRONG

I dont care what the people are saying in the vid, or the companies business practices.. the discussion is what the machine can do.. the bottom line is it is a newer model epson that will print a dark in under two minutes at 720 that is sellable qauility..for god sakes the brother only prints up to 600dpi if im not mistaken?

(to put it simply it was a reference video)

as i have said before i think the 782 is impressive and i like there solvent concentration of there inks for washability!! personally for me i was looking for benefits over epson brands or something that i may had been missing for research for my own projects!!! as i have with other non epson machines based on cost per unit and its production speed....

I guess i will do my searching silently or take it to another forum!!!

regards
 

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Lol - it kills me that you would think that you can tell from a video that the product is sellable. It also amuses me that you would trust anything that comes from Anajet. The video you posted contains a multitude of falsehoods.

Only American made DTG. WRONG
Only one that can print on polyester. WRONG
Built from the ground up. WRONG
Fastest in the industry. WRONG

It is not a matter of disagreeing. It is a matter of facts. It is not different user opinions. Your opinion does not break the laws of time and space, or if it does you should be working on something a little more important than a DIY DTG.

Every image I have received printed 720x720 white layer one pass from any vendor, manufacturer, or reseller has been of an unacceptable quality.( in my opinion, just wanted to demonstrate the difference in opinion and fact) If the 1800/1900 can produce such great images, why don't those in the business print with it? Why wouldn't Jerid and the Belquette staff correct me during my pre purchase phase? Surely it would have been to their benefit to show me how much faster the mod1 is. Especially when they knew I was looking at the 782, and specifically requested head to head print speed comparisons.

You say you like to ask questions and get real answers, but then proceed to argue about the real life answers, from actual real life users, this is why I decided to forgo any further discussion.

Printzilla signing off for good. Good luck and good night......:)
Lmfao @t Anajet - they prob. hired some video specialist to do that video : )

Anyways what is a machine good for if it breaks down in 2 weeks, to this day never had someone calling me raving about the machine, just lots of complaints.

Like printzilla said, I would love to see an Epson machine that had put white layer in single pass and still look good because it will prob. look like a grainy piece of garbage, not basing factor it came off Epson base machine but only on fact that ink is soo watery, won't give a good white underbase.

Btw why the hell are we talking about other machines in such detail when this is about Brother, Not Anajet, Mod or anything else?

Good way to get people confused IMO, now i remember why I don't bother coming on here as much : )
 

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Let’s take this one step at a time and start with the number side of the business first.* The cost of a 500 cc of color ink is $350.00.* This means that the cost per a cc is $0.70.* Since you used 2 cc of CMYK, you have $1.40 in CMYK ink cost.
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1.****** Low Volume – price per cartridge is $300.00 for 500 cc.* This means that you are paying $0.60 a cc.* This means the white underbase would be $5.40.* (Total print cost would be $7.10.)
2.****** Medium Volume – price per cartridge is $225.00 for 500 cc when you purchase a 10 pack of cartridges.* This means you are paying $0.45 a cc.* This means the white underbase would cost $4.05.* (Total print cost would be $5.45.)
3.****** High Volume – you are paying $0.36 a cc.* This means the white underbase would cost $3.24.* (Total print cost would be $4.64.)
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So not sure where you came up with the $9.00 print cost based on the numbers you posted.* In fact, my cost would be half of what you posted.* There are also a couple of different ways where you can cut the down the amount of ink you use.* You should contact your distributor for how to do this.
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The next thing that you need to consider is how much comparable ink you would be putting down on a shirt using another inkset.* From someone that has experience printing with Dupont ink using Epson-based printers in the past for several years, I can tell you that the hand on the Brother GT CMYK+W prints is less than with the Dupont ink.* Part of the reason is because Brother uses less ink than compared to the Epson-based printers.* So try to imagine how thick the print would feel like if you printed it with an Epson-based printer.* If you want to post the artwork in the same size / resolution that you printed, someone can tell you exactly how much ink would be used using their RIP.
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In the end, there are definitely trade-offs with every dtg printer.* I choose to go with a better hand, improved washability and faster production speed - so I was willing to pay more cost per print, However at bulk ink pricing it is cheaper to print with my 782, than on my Epson based machines.

Zilla

Don't forget that 4 color process + spot colors screenprinted is a viable option.

Assuming $30 per screen all in set up cost and 6 screens, underbase, cmyk, 1 spot. That means that $180/24 prints = $7.50 per print. So if you are printing 24 or more it's almost a wash, at 36 and up you are down to $5 a print.

I just worry that people are forgetting that DTG isn't better in all situations.

And as for resolution, don't get greedy, 10 years ago 85lpi actually holding on a screen was amazing and that is only 170dpi.
 

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What about the mod1 printing at 720 ? Is this the case with the anajet aswell, the anajet will do a dark in under two min im not sure about the mod in 720?:D .....?
In order to understand this we have to compare apple to apples... image size, true resolution and how the software interlaces. If you understand the physocal difference between the two technologies(epson,Brother, Kornit) you can see past the BS that sinking us here. Jeff, Printing full out with 2 presses and a 10 X 12 CMYK print, I cannot break 40 pc per hour on the Anajet even at the large dot, level 1, bi-directional (fastest speed, highest output). Since that level of white pools and is counter productive, there is no way in **ll I could print even 20 per hour with white ink, as I'd be waiting for the ink to dry. In my case, I'm better off using smaller dot, 1440, to get the job done. My Anajet is a great machine, great platform and phylosophy. It makes me money, but compared to my 10 color M&R is not a "production" machine and never will be. Personally when new generation machines can print faster that about 6 DZ per hour of dark shirts then that will be a great day. We're here to discuss benefits, I'm glad things are moving forward.

From the "show me" state
 

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I've owned a Mod 1 for over a year now so I will chime in alittle bit.

Yes you can print at 720x720 on a white shirt and probably sell it. But it doesn't do digital printing any justice. The blacks won't be black and the image in general will be light. But if you're doing light colored pastel prints it would work. That being said we always run everything 2 pass at 1440x720. You get quality and decent speed.

I will agree with German13 that I don't understand how people can justify the cost of a Brother 782. For the same money you could roughly buy 3 Mod 1 printers and a backup print module. There is no way the brother can beat that setup in speed and ink cost. Plus you have the redundancy of having 3 separate units. Any 1 problem would only result in 33% lost production instead of 100%.

The argument that epson based machines don't provide good white coverage is long dead. We consistently print black shirts on a daily basis.

Andy
 

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Andy - can you print an acceptable print @ 720x720 white under base on a black shirt? If so, then that changes everything. If so, I would like to purchase a few different designs to compare to the prints off the 782.

I agree that one 782 could not beat three Mod1's for speed, but as I have previously posted according to the RIP ink calculation for the Brother, as well as the Iproof RIP for the 1800 based machines, it does beat the ink price per shirt when using medium bulk ink level purchasing. This would be at about 600 dark shirts per month. Over 1000 dark per month, and the Brother ink goes down in price roughly another 15%. This is assuming 1440 white under base printing on the 1800 based units.

Another issue for speed is that I could not conceive of a way for one operator to run three Mod1's anyway. In my calculations, you would need three mods and four heat presses (three for curing finished garment, one for curing pretreatment), and I could not come up with a system where one operator could run that. With the Brother I only needed two heat presses (one final, one pretreat)because of the fast cure time. To be honest, it is really all I can do to keep up with the 782. I cannot imagine adding an extra printer

What type of discount does Belquette offer if you buy 4 liters a month? I know when i bought two liters at a time, I was paying $280 per liter.

I appreciate your input Andy as a long term user of the mod1. It was a tossup between three mod1's and the 782 when I was making my final decision. I really like the mod1, and steer people in the direction if they have a smaller budget, and can live with the smaller print space. It came down to three things for me.

Bigger print size.
35 second cure times.
I preferred the hand and the durability of the Brother ink to the Dupont.

Andy do you happen to have the Great Dane Surf Shark? If so, could you post up how long it takes you to print that at 12" wide, and what the amount of ink used in ml was for both white, and cmyk? If not, I would be happy to send it to you, as I would love to have the input from an end user on the speed and cost issues, as well as what level of resolution is necessary for an acceptable print.

Thanks - Printzilla
 

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Printzilla,

Very good points..

- No a 720x720 wouldn't quite be good enough from what I've found.

- I think you are correct that running 3 mod printers while also pretreating would be very hard to do if not impossible. If you are printing large dark shirt back prints and you have an auto pretreat you could get close. Then at least the bottle neck wouldn't be the printer. I think 2 mod one printers per operator is the sweet spot. Smaller pocket prints are tough to keep up with just 1 printer.

-we also have screen printing so we run shirts down the dryer to cut down the heat press time to 2:30 for dark and no pressing for shirts without white ink.

- I don't know if I should throw out prices but when buying quantity (5+ liters at a time) the bags get competitive with bulk dupont ink bottles.

I don't have that graphic so send it on over. [email protected]Mcdanielgroupllc.com I like facts not guesses so it will be good to get an even comparison.

Hope this helps.. I'm tired and in general a poor writer so who knows if this was readable.

Thanks, Andy
 

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They say the cost of ink & fixation is .03 per sq. inch (http://www.t-shirtforums.com/brother/t88438.html) for the new Brother GT-782. Just to put some things into perspective:

12" x 12" ('standard' print size) = 144" x .03 = $4.32 per print
14" x 16" = 224" x .03 = $6.72 per print
16" x 18" (max print size) = 288" x .03 = $8.64 per print

Let's hope you never have to use that full platen area!!!
Holy sheet... I thought my sublimation inks were expensive, but those numbers are crazy.

I keep hoping that DTG will reach it's potential as a true screenprinting alternative, but each new generation of machines just seem to disappoint me again.
 

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I don't understand how people can justify the cost of a Brother 782
Wassup Andy and gang
All I can really say is you have to own one to understand why we felt like Brother was the Better Choice for us. The maintenance is alone is next to nill and the pretreating and curing times alone are less effort than having 3 epsons. Imagine all the running around with 3 printers? lol

Printzilla might be the one of few that can chime in on this but he might still even feel as you do.
 
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