Any tips for best white underbase?

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seacookie

Discussion Starter · Nov 15, 2017

I need to get nice white underbase. I wonted to try with water based inks. I can get Newtex-one white in my local store.

I need this for black t-shirts.

I don't have dryer. I don't won't to buy dryer right now. I think I don't need a dryer for water based inks?

So, if you guys have any tips which I could use, I would be very happy if you can share it.

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NoXid

· #2 · Nov 16, 2017

I prefer to use opaque inks rather than underbase translucent ones. Permaset has a line of opaque colors called SuperCover. The downside is that these cost more.

When underbasing, it is probably safest to use the same brand and type of ink for base and top. If mixing brands, I would do some testing.

You don't have to have a tunnel dryer, but you do need a way to flash between colors and a way to cure the ink at the end.

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seacookie

Discussion Starter · #3 · Nov 16, 2017

NoXid said:
I prefer to use opaque inks rather than underbase translucent ones. Permaset has a line of opaque colors called SuperCover. The downside is that these cost more.

When underbasing, it is probably safest to use the same brand and type of ink for base and top. If mixing brands, I would do some testing.

You don't have to have a tunnel dryer, but you do need a way to flash between colors and a way to cure the ink at the end.

I need white underbase for airbrushing black t-shirts. Plan was like this: vinyl for stencils, using squeegee to lay down that white color and on top of that doing airbrush stuff.

I am in experimenting phase with screen printing colors. I know my idea sounds nuts, but I was thinking about to give it a try. Would like to get that true white color on black t-shirt.

Can I use heat press for flashing?

And thanks for your help.

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into the T

· #4 · Nov 16, 2017

i thought you might be going down the light transfer paper on top of the white underbase route

for that they used ryonet white, but i can't remember which one, i will search for you

i hope all is well where you are
i heard rumors of a nuclear accident, but precious little news getting out

seacookie

Discussion Starter · #5 · Nov 16, 2017 (Edited)

into the T said:
i thought you might be going down the light transfer paper on top of the white underbase route

for that they used ryonet white, but i can't remember which one, i will search for you

i hope all is well where you are
i heard rumors of a nuclear accident, but precious little news getting out

Transfer paper comes much more expensive then airbrushing if I look at the cost(One bottle of paint is 7 Euros - That is a lot of vector designs- we are talking about I don't know 100, maybe 200 maybe even more if they are small. Hard to tell actually. I would need to count...). For pictures and stuff I would still need to use transfer paper. But for vectors I just lay vinyl, heat seat it and shoot paint. After I am finished I just remove vinyl and heat seat airbrush color.

I heard we had some cloud close with some uranium I think

, but there was nothing serious. They told us everything is ok. I didn't die and I didn't forget about you. I was just busy and I took some time for those pictures. You sad you are not in a hurry

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seacookie

Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 16, 2017

and off topic...how the hell i get black t-shirt like you 2?

NoXid

· #7 · Nov 16, 2017

seacookie said:
and off topic...how the hell i get black t-shirt like you 2?

1000 posts. Time to blather more

NoXid

· #8 · Nov 16, 2017

Green Galaxy Comet White from Ryonet is an easy to use opaque white, and I have used it as an underbase under other Ryonet colors. Decent price, very easy cleanup, less prone to drying in screen. The downside is that it has a bit of a shine to it (though @porkchopharry says that goes away if you mix in some extra water ... but not sure if that affects durability). It also tends to get sticky when heating/flashing, so needs to cool before giving it another hit when print/flash/printing, which you will need to do in order to get a strong white appearance. Comet White is a High Solids Acrylic; I suppose your airbrush paints are also acrylic, so that might be a good match.

Permaset SuperCover White has a matte finish, and might achieve a brighter white than the Green Galaxy for the same number of strokes.

I flash with a Vastex F-1000 flash. Before I had that, I used a heat gun--which works, but is a bit tedious and imprecise.

But, hell, sounds like you should be taking the opportunity to make Glow-In-The-Dark shirts ;-)

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into the T

· #9 · Nov 16, 2017 (Edited)

no rush

sounds like an interesting approach you are taking,
keep us updated

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seacookie

Discussion Starter · #10 · Nov 16, 2017

NoXid said:
1000 posts. Time to blather more

Damn, don't have time and energy right now for this

I can't find ryonet in uk, not to mention my country, In my country they wanna sell crap for more money then I can get from uk...They would put mayonese in a conteneur and call it white printing color, if mayonese wouldn't be yellow color...

I am checking colors and I have a dilemma...

I can get white color and how do I know if it's good?

Is this good or bad color? Anybody maybe know?
https://www.pyramidscreenproducts.co.uk/permaset-aqua-supercover-fd-white-1-l-c2x18757305

And here is a dilemma part. I see you can buy pigment base and pigment concentrate. Is it worth the trouble of mixing?

https://www.pyramidscreenproducts.co.uk/pigment-and-base-water-based-inks-c102x2727685

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seacookie

Discussion Starter · #11 · Nov 16, 2017

NoXid said:
But, hell, sounds like you should be taking the opportunity to make Glow-In-The-Dark shirts ;-)

I was thinking about that. New year is around the corner. And glow in the dark color is the same prize as regular for airbrush.

seacookie

Discussion Starter · #12 · Nov 16, 2017

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Permaset-Supercover-300ml-Fabric-Printing/dp/B000YIJX6U

This is expensive. Is this the color we were talking about?

seacookie

Discussion Starter · #13 · Nov 16, 2017

33 posts and I am on 500

seacookie

Discussion Starter · #14 · Nov 16, 2017

I mean 20. I am tired, I see my brain don't function very good right now -.-

seacookie

Discussion Starter · #15 · Nov 16, 2017

NoXid said:
Permaset SuperCover White has a matte finish, and might achieve a brighter white than the Green Galaxy for the same number of strokes.

Is permaset aqua the same stuff?

NoXid

· #16 · Nov 16, 2017

seacookie said:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Permaset-Supercover-300ml-Fabric-Printing/dp/B000YIJX6U

This is expensive. Is this the color we were talking about?

Yeah, that's the stuff: Permaset Aqua SuperCover.

It is from Australia, and does cost more than most. There are places to buy it for less, but the shipping from the USA would be high.

Larger sizes are generally a much better value per ounce of ink. Places that sell to hobbyist (like Blick) sell the small sizes like in that listing. Screen printing outlets would carry quarts, gallons, and maybe even the 4 gallon bucket (or whatever metric size comes close to those units).

Permaset Aqua without the word "SuperCover" is their normal opacity ink, which would need to be underbased with an opaque ink on a dark shirt.

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NoXid

· #17 · Nov 16, 2017

Ah, this place in the UK distributes screen printing supplies, and they carry SuperCover in liters and 4-liters.

https://www.wickedprintingstuff.com...ver/permaset_aqua_supercover_white_P1414.html

"As an international company we deliver anywhere in the world. Please check your region for details. We can offer free delivery in certain places depending on order size."

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seacookie

Discussion Starter · #18 · Nov 16, 2017

NoXid said:
Ah, this place in the UK distributes screen printing supplies, and they carry SuperCover in liters and 4-liters.

https://www.wickedprintingstuff.com...ver/permaset_aqua_supercover_white_P1414.html

"As an international company we deliver anywhere in the world. Please check your region for details. We can offer free delivery in certain places depending on order size."

Nice, I solved one problem.

seacookie

Discussion Starter · #19 · Nov 17, 2017

I got one more question. There are 2 Permaset Aqua SuperCover whites.

One is: PermaSet Aqua Supercover - FD White and second one is PermaSet Aqua Supercover white. Cant find the difference except in price...

https://www.pyramidscreenproducts.co.uk/permaset-aqua-supercover-fd-white-1-l-c2x18757305

https://www.pyramidscreenproducts.co.uk/permaset-aqua-supercover-white-1-l-c2x18757306

maybe anybody have an idea? What is that FD?

NoXid

· #20 · Nov 17, 2017

FD is First Down. It is intended for underbasing. I don't really know how it differs from the regular SuperCover white, which is what I use. If it costs less, I would assume it has less pigment.

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