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Old February 19th, 2019 Feb 19, 2019 7:36:29 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Yeah, if I had to go through all of that just to be able to call it sublimation I would have some kind of breakdown. Shewwwwwwwww! Not only NOT accomplishing any diminished thickness of any of the dark transfers, but you also lose so much time doing all of those presses and then not even being able to contour cut on a cutter? No, thanks. I'd rather just use a transfer and call it a non-sub transfer.
 
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Old April 19th, 2019 Apr 19, 2019 4:19:58 AM -   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah, if I had to go through all of that just to be able to call it sublimation I would have some kind of breakdown. Shewwwwwwwww! Not only NOT accomplishing any diminished thickness of any of the dark transfers, but you also lose so much time doing all of those presses and then not even being able to contour cut on a cutter? No, thanks. I'd rather just use a transfer and call it a non-sub transfer.

This image below can be done more or lea easy with suitable transfer material.


But if you want no cut effect. then you need to use two different printers with two different transfer paper and merge them on the same cotton fabrics. It is important that you do have compatible Developer in powder because in other case color image would sink in white beck ground coating and you would get milky white diluted images.


And as you can see this is sublimation and the colors are perfect
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Old April 19th, 2019 Apr 19, 2019 4:41:07 AM -   #33 (permalink)
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So, the answer is, after all of this discussion -

NO! You can NOT directly sublimate on dark garments. END OF! Get over it.
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Old April 20th, 2019 Apr 20, 2019 7:24:52 AM -   #34 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

I was issued a patent in 5-27-14 for sublimation printing onto Dark cotton with the combination of white toner PERIOD.

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it isn,t rocket science to understand.

You print the sublimation on the B paper while you are printing a white mask with white toner on the A paper at the same time.

You then marry the two sheets together after registering them on a light table.

Then you apply the A paper to the shirt pressing it from the backside of the shirt for 50 seconds at 375 F.

Peel cold and the DYES from the sublimation fully outgas into the coating of the B paper that is adhered to the cotton shirt in 1200x1200 resolution.

I have made a video finally and am waiting for my web master to edit it for me so I can post it on You tube.

I will notify the forum in the next couple of weeks.

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Old April 20th, 2019 Apr 20, 2019 9:20:06 AM -   #35 (permalink)
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I was issued a patent in 5-27-14 for sublimation printing onto Dark cotton with the combination of white toner PERIOD.

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it isn,t rocket science to understand.

You print the sublimation on the B paper while you are printing a white mask with white toner on the A paper at the same time.

You then marry the two sheets together after registering them on a light table.

Then you apply the A paper to the shirt pressing it from the backside of the shirt for 50 seconds at 375 F.

Peel cold and the DYES from the sublimation fully outgas into the coating of the B paper that is adhered to the cotton shirt in 1200x1200 resolution.

I have made a video finally and am waiting for my web master to edit it for me so I can post it on You tube.

I will notify the forum in the next couple of weeks.

AL
With all due respect, that isn't direct sublimation to cotton. It's another layer ON TOP OF the cotton which holds the sublimated inks.
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Old April 20th, 2019 Apr 20, 2019 11:12:40 AM -   #36 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Just take a look at this below image
This is simple and easy process
Yes this is sublimation ink
Only you need to have a suitable cutter if you do not want all white background
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Old April 20th, 2019 Apr 20, 2019 12:06:59 PM -   #37 (permalink)
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For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to do this when there are so many other alternatives. To me this is like turkey bacon, it is just the word turkey followed by the word bacon but in now way is it bacon.
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Old April 20th, 2019 Apr 20, 2019 2:45:33 PM -   #38 (permalink)
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For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to do this when there are so many other alternatives. To me this is like turkey bacon, it is just the word turkey followed by the word bacon but in now way is it bacon.
I was issued a patent for turkey bacon I'll have you know! 😉
 
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I was issued a patent for turkey bacon I'll have you know! 😉
Yum! It still isn't bacon. Bacon is like meat candy!
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Old April 20th, 2019 Apr 20, 2019 10:18:02 PM -   #40 (permalink)
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Yum! It still isn't bacon. Bacon is like meat candy!
I sometimes order a cheeseburger as a carrier for bacon. I never, ever, would eat a burger sans bacon. I used to eat veggie burgers ... with bacon



With all due respect to those looking for, or in possession of, processes for sublimating cotton, ink does not sublimate into cotton. It is physically impossible. Sublimating a substrate that one sticks onto cotton is sticking something onto cotton, not sublimating cotton.

And one reason to go that route is to use a single printer and inkset for all transfers, be they for sublimation mugs, poly shirts, or cotton garments. It's a process that will make sense for some people and scenarios. But it is not the unicorn the name implies, or that people are looking for when they start threads like this.

Hmmm ... charred unicorn burger ... with bacon
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Old April 21st, 2019 Apr 21, 2019 12:29:38 AM -   #41 (permalink)
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I could believe in anything if it involved bacon: cotton sublimation, unicorns, black holes and the Big Bang being but a few of them.
 
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Here is one No Cut sample
Done with the same printer sublimation ink and extra White Cartridge and house hold ordinary iron. You need to have two suitable transfer paper. One is TT transfer paper and the other one is CT transfer paper


First you print in WCYM ink configuration for White BACKGROUND. Then you use second printer or BCYM ink set on the same printer. You print on CT transfer paper.



You transfer first white background on dark fabrics. After that you marge CT color printout on white, As a CT transfer paper is clear transfer paper there is no problem at all about proper and perfect merging
Enjoy. Simple and cheep.
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Ok. I'm out!
 
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Here are the better options in no order,

1) Screen Print
2) Screen Print 4 color process
3) Discharge print
4) Plastisol spot color transfer
5) Plastisol 4 color process
6) Cut Vinyl
7) Printed Vinyl
8) I am sure others will chime in
9) Crayons on a paper taped to the shirt

Sublimation on cotton is not the right process for the substrate, it is that simple. Pick your substrate, pick your process that works with it and go with it. All others are SJE (Slow, Jerky, Expensive)

Good Luck, You're Welcome
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Yes that is one point of view
But can you pint on Dark with white ink with € 200 - 300 initial investment



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