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Old June 25th, 2018 Jun 25, 2018 6:04:05 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Thanks Al, it can't be soon enough. I am sick of the plastic feel with the conventional method and even though I don't hear much about it I'm sure that my customers are too. By the way, assuming the cost will be competitive put me down for a truckload of your new product.

When you talk about 'marrying the two together', what temp, time, and pressure are you using?

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Old June 26th, 2018 Jun 26, 2018 3:53:57 AM -   #17 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

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This eliminates the need for a light table to register the clear transparent film over the sublimation color ink on the {B} paper when marrying the two together. The clear film peels off the {B} paper like butter making the marrying procedure a no brainer anymore.

No need... Just stick a pin through the cross-hair registration marks and tape the two sheet together with heat tape.

Tedious and pointless process by the way. Why sublimating white toner, when you can use the same thickness of color toner?
 
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Yes this is over due. I have developed a transparent film to replace the {A} paper to print the white toner on it in mirror image.
This eliminates the need for a light table to register the clear transparent film over the sublimation color ink on the {B} paper when marrying the two together. The clear film peels off the {B} paper like butter making the marrying procedure a no brainer anymore.
I will make a you tube video soon now as I intend to change marketing strategy of selling with this new process.

AL ... please let us know when you do the video!

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Old June 30th, 2018 Jun 30, 2018 6:11:34 AM -   #19 (permalink)
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You use sublimation ink because it doesn,t have plastic resins as does TONERS does. Plastic resins is causing the cracking on the Oki White Toner transfers to cotton.
Sublimation ink only has dyes and water and they can,t crack as a solid does.
This is why you don,t use thick color toner.
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

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You use sublimation ink because it doesn,t have plastic resins as does TONERS does. Plastic resins is causing the cracking on the Oki White Toner transfers to cotton.
Sublimation ink only has dyes and water and they can,t crack as a solid does.
This is why you don,t use thick color toner.

So instead of using a thin layer of color toner, you use a thin layer of white toner, and sublimate it. What you end up, is basically a thin layer of colored toner. This would make sense, if the {a} sheet coating is receptive to sublimation inks. I've not tried it.

However...if this is the case, you don't actually need the white toner. You could use black toner as negative.
 
Old July 1st, 2018 Jul 1, 2018 5:45:35 AM -   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

You are correct in your statement.
The paper is designed for laser and not ink jet. So i use my laser white toner to remove the color sublimation ink from the B paper. True you can use another color but to do the same thing but if it has color it will distract from your intended picture and especially where White is apart of that design.

One other advantage to this process is after washing and drying the shirt you can enhance the colors to like new by ironing over the design by applying a Aluminum Foil over the design and ironing it for a 2 minutes.
Apparently the sublimation dyes reactivate and enhances the picture.

This is not necessary and is an added feature to this process.

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Old July 1st, 2018 Jul 1, 2018 6:27:43 AM -   #22 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

so, Al, If I have an oki white printer, and a ricoh sublimation printer in house, do I have what is necessary to complete this process?
 
Old July 1st, 2018 Jul 1, 2018 6:38:10 AM -   #23 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Brenda, Yes except you nrrd the IC paper for darks.

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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

I have a lot more questions Al can you explain the process in more detail? I'm having a hard time visualizing the concept, are you running the b paper through your sub printer first and if so, is it with a mask? Details please! that youtube vid would be handy right about now
 
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

andywintx - read this from Al:
(posted in this thread: https://www.t-shirtforums.com/printe...s/t821050.html)

"1 You print with your sublimation ink jet printer the color print onto the {B} paper of the Image Clip for Darks

2- Then you print with the white toner of the Oki the same design in Mirror image as a white mask. Choke it about 1000th smaller.

3- Put the two papers together over a LED light table to register them exactly and then press them onto each other. Peel hot.

4- press the {A} paper onto the dark color shirt and peel cold.

You don,t print onto the same paper twice

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Also read Lnfortun's post here:
https://www.t-shirtforums.com/p4342777-post2.html
 
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Sublimation don't work on dark colours and even if you try it on dark colours you won't get the resulting design. The main reason is that dark colours lacks white underbase and so it works proper on light colours
 
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

Sublimation does work when you can use white toner as an underbase, or the two step Image Clip paper for darks that has the underbase in there transfer paper {B} paper.
I have been doing this since 2011 and received a patent for this process in May of 2014.
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

What about that Video Al? Would love to see the process, etc. Maybe some more pictures of the results? I have never worked with Sublimation, but I have 2 old Epsons around that I do not use, so I guess I could use one of them (WF 7015 and P50), kind regards.
 
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Default Re: Sublimation printing on dark garments?

I use micro-twill cloth and hotmelt adhesive on dark garments, follow this video link on how to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82cZW5KuaM


Hope this helps.
 
Old February 18th, 2019 Feb 18, 2019 11:58:24 PM -   #30 (permalink)
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So what are the advantages of your method over the tried and tested 3g Jet-Opaque? Surely your transfers are very thick as they are printed on twill which is then stuck to the shirt?
 






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