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[PLASTISOL TRANSFERS] - what is a plastisol (silk screen printed) heat transfer: a definition

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Old September 9th, 2008 Sep 9, 2008 7:32:24 AM -   #61 (permalink)
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process called digiprint and was for an 11x 9.5 inch transfer $8. Said plastisol would run about $4.5 but quality would be lacking, or need to make original less detailed..
 
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Old September 9th, 2008 Sep 9, 2008 7:36:19 AM -   #62 (permalink)
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Front and back design we expect the back to be about 17 inches x 13 inches. front about 14x 11.
being new we were not exactly sure the shirt size we need but seems the back should go from middle of shoulder blade each size. On XXL it seemed about 17 inches. I am guessing we would want 2 sizes to accomodate the med- large adult also.
Being new maybe you can give feedback on how you know what size to make the transfer. I emailed to them the picture, and said front and back. Maybe there was a missunderstanding.
You'll find standard pricing is normally on a 12"x12" and quantity makes a big difference. I've got a 2 color I'm doing that is about $2.50 a sheet at qty. 36, but after the order got bumped up to qty. 300, the price went down to about $1.

If you have smaller designs, remember you can put more than one on a sheet with many companies. This is called a gangsheet. I had a 2 color left chest that was about 6". So, we put 8 on each gangsheet. Even at only 36 sheets, my price was about 30 cents each. Be sure you give Ace & First Edition a check on your transfers if you think your pricing may not be so good.

For low quantities it doesn't always make cost sense to do transfers because of the setup costs pretty much making it cost about the same to do 36 as it does to do 5. On those smaller order, you might want to look at cutting your own vinyl. Vinyl is also great for customizations, like adding a nickname to the shirt or something like that.
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My idea was to print maybe 300 for Xl-XXL people, and 300 for small to large. But we made a couple prints here in china and the size looked too small at around 12 inches x 9. We also think we should purchase our own machine as would give us more control over what and how to print. We cannot figure out what we need to print. You say on vinyl? To do this we would need a solvent printer? Any solvent printer? How many colors needed, and what about the problem for printing on black needing white. Do all solvent printers have white? Or on vinyl maybe the problem does not exist for printing on black? We are close to figuring this out and was told all we need is a solvent printer, and a cutter. If i understand this we would still need to do weeding correct? Or am I wrong is there a solvent printer that prints direct to transfer so no need to weed? If not then a solvent printer must be the way, and must use special vinyl transfer paper i am guessing. But important is the ability to print on black.
 
 
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If you are working with quantities over 100, I would stick to plastisol. If the transfers are too expensive, then you should probably look into setting up your own silkscreen shop.
 
Old September 9th, 2008 Sep 9, 2008 8:15:04 AM -   #65 (permalink)
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My idea was to print maybe 300 for Xl-XXL people, and 300 for small to large. But we made a couple prints here in china and the size looked too small at around 12 inches x 9. We also think we should purchase our own machine as would give us more control over what and how to print. We cannot figure out what we need to print. You say on vinyl? To do this we would need a solvent printer? Any solvent printer? How many colors needed, and what about the problem for printing on black needing white. Do all solvent printers have white? Or on vinyl maybe the problem does not exist for printing on black? We are close to figuring this out and was told all we need is a solvent printer, and a cutter. If i understand this we would still need to do weeding correct? Or am I wrong is there a solvent printer that prints direct to transfer so no need to weed? If not then a solvent printer must be the way, and must use special vinyl transfer paper i am guessing. But important is the ability to print on black.
Master makes a good point. If you already know what you are printing, you can always print directly on the shirts and not have to worry about transfers. Was there a specific reason you wanted transfers vs. direct?

Secondly, a 13X17 plastisol printed back and a 11X14 front is considered large by anyone's criteria. The fact that you want to have different size prints for different size shirts means you will need two sets of screens, adding to your cost. I size my designs where I just need one set of prints to print sizes S-XXL.

Also, if these areas are 100% covered with ink, the shirt has less breathing room and could feel hot and retain moisture next to the wearer's body.
 
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Front and back design we expect the back to be about 17 inches x 13 inches. front about 14x 11.
being new we were not exactly sure the shirt size we need but seems the back should go from middle of shoulder blade each size. On XXL it seemed about 17 inches. I am guessing we would want 2 sizes to accomodate the med- large adult also.
Being new maybe you can give feedback on how you know what size to make the transfer. I emailed to them the picture, and said front and back. Maybe there was a missunderstanding.
As far as figuring out your print size, I went through the same thing and pretty much just looked at my shirts and my kids shirts. Just look around for shirts you see that you like and use them as templates. I'm getting quite a bad reputation for reading tags and measuring graphics on people's clothing.
 
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hi there
my name is darren,i am from south africa,need some advice.you guys are a bit more advanced than us.if the world had to end we would still have ten years to live its bad

i am trying out transfer printing with plastersol does the transfer have to be wet for application because if it is dry it doesent stick

im finding that the transfers dont have a lot of stretch after pressing them

what tempreture should i set my press at, and how long must i press it for. as i am used to curing with a tunnel

is there something to mix into the ink to help it strech more?

thank you!
 
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hi there
my name is darren,i am from south africa,need some advice.you guys are a bit more advanced than us.if the world had to end we would still have ten years to live its bad

i am trying out transfer printing with plastersol does the transfer have to be wet for application because if it is dry it doesent stick

im finding that the transfers dont have a lot of stretch after pressing them

what tempreture should i set my press at, and how long must i press it for. as i am used to curing with a tunnel

is there something to mix into the ink to help it strech more?

thank you!
Are you trying to make your own transfers or are you trying to apply plastisol transfers you have had made?
 
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yes i am making my own transfers with a six coulour carrosal and applying them
 
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OK, off the top, it seems like you may be curing the ink on the paper too long? You don't want to fully cure. Only gel the ink. It does not get fully cured until you apply it with the heat press.

what type of material are you applying it to where you need it to stretch? There are inks especially made for stretchy material. Otherwise, a plastisol transfer should stretch the same as a direct print.

Did your paper or your ink come with any instructions on press temperature and time? I have seen temperature recommendations anywhere from 325-375 degrees and a press time of anywhere between 7 to15 seconds. It just depends on the supplier. Check with your ink vendor. Or you will have to experiment.

Also check out this thread https://www.t-shirtforums.com/t-shirt...es/t14049.html

and http://www.screenprinters.net/articles.php?art=66

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Thanks Rodney for some really great posts on your experiences with the heat press.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the quality and feel of plastisol transfers which you've applied with your heat press compared to plastisol direct on Tshirts from a screen printer.

Have you found any differences of plastisol transfer applied from a heat press, compared to a plastisol print direct on the tshirt at the screen printer?
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I am just getting started and have read all 5 pages of the diary. Rodney, THANK YOU for being the GO TO GUY for all of us beginners!!! I think I am set on Plastisol over the "printing on my printer and using a heat press" idea I started with.
I am hoping someone can answer the following:
1. Can I send my JPEG images to Ace or First Edition and have my logos set to Plastisol?
2. I keep seeing white being an issue to print on a dark shirt. Can I have a white logo in Plastisol to press to a black shirt?
3. Confirming what I thought I read...I can have multiple logos printed on a "gangpage" (sp?). Would I then just cut them out in a generic fashion (i.e. not touching the logo itself) and press?
4. If I have a Plastisol logo in the shape of a circle, after I press, only the circle will be showing on the fabric? No outer residual glue, adhesive, etc?
Thank you in advance to any and all who can help me! I can't wait to get started!
Oh wait! One more question! Any ideas on quality blanks? I already have looked at American Apparel and looking for something a little cheaper but relative quality!
Oops, one more....any thoughts on the heat press and crystal transferring?
Sorry!
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I would answer yes to all your questions(1-4) and there are many quality blanks available. I use district threads from www.sanmar.com . I suggest a brand name press for quality and service after the sale. .. Good luck. .... JB
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1. Can I send my JPEG images to Ace or First Edition and have my logos set to Plastisol?
2. I keep seeing white being an issue to print on a dark shirt. Can I have a white logo in Plastisol to press to a black shirt?
3. Confirming what I thought I read...I can have multiple logos printed on a "gangpage" (sp?). Would I then just cut them out in a generic fashion (i.e. not touching the logo itself) and press?
4. If I have a Plastisol logo in the shape of a circle, after I press, only the circle will be showing on the fabric? No outer residual glue, adhesive, etc?
Thank you in advance to any and all who can help me! I can't wait to get started!
Oh wait! One more question! Any ideas on quality blanks? I already have looked at American Apparel and looking for something a little cheaper but relative quality!
Oops, one more....any thoughts on the heat press and crystal transferring?
Sorry!
Thanks Again!


1. You should check with them directly for their artwork requirements. Different vendors have different requirements.

2. Definitely. You simple tell the transfer co. that the design is for a dark shirt and they will add the white underbase to it.

3. Yes, you are correct.

4. Correct. The transfer paper is like wax paper. The only thing that transfers is the ink. No residue whatsoever. It the same as if you had printed it directly on a silkscreeen press.

5. blanks. Alstyle makes a good cheaper alternative to American Apparel.

6. Heat press. Popular brands are Stahls, Hix, Hottronix, Phoenix, George Knight . You should get at least a 15 X 15 to cover all your bases on transfer size.
 
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