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Old June 22nd, 2013 Jun 22, 2013 5:59:59 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Rjet 5 Video Printing White & Color In Single Pass. AWESOME

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Peter put your glasses on & look at the video! We are not showing the same old one pass fast that gives dull colours like everyone has.

In-line printing is better quality than the normal underbase then CMYK. We are the first to show this kind of printing with DTG.
Lol, it's ok and understand all and everyone who resellers like you or mfg will say same as you.
My printer is the best and first at anything. Bit sounds like self advertising.First and best is not favorite word in forum guide.
Cheers! See you soon. NeoFlex will meet you in UK.
PS: it is RIP play not Printer play.
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Old June 22nd, 2013 Jun 22, 2013 6:10:00 AM -   #32 (permalink)
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Lol, it's ok and understand all and everyone who resellers like you or mfg will say same as you.
My printer is the best and first at anything. Bit sounds like self advertising.First and best is not favorite word in forum guide.
Cheers! See you soon. NeoFlex will meet you in UK.
PS: it is RIP play not Printer play.
Swerved as usual Peter, I don't think the Neo rip can do this ! perhaps you could confirm this.
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I thought this was a resolute dtg forum , not neo flex , this is the Mai. Reason why I decided not to go with neoflex, always so quick to bash every other dtg company, funny how all American likes to hijack threads they don't need to comment on, just my 2 cents very happy not to be a neoflex junky .
 
 
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It can, but they say the quality is less than two pass.

https://www.t-shirtforums.com/neoflex/t223714.html
 
Old June 22nd, 2013 Jun 22, 2013 9:21:26 AM -   #35 (permalink)
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It can, but they say the quality is less than two pass.

https://www.t-shirtforums.com/neoflex/t223714.html
You need to watch the video properly, the Neoflex video clearly shows the white and the colour being printed together "1 pass fast" the R-Jets have had that print mode or three years like everyone else. We never pushed it as is not very good.

In-line printing prints the white first then the colour follows approx 15mm later allowing the white time to dry making the colours brighter.

This is not simply one pass fast, the Neoflex cannot produce in-line printing using split head technology with its current configuration.
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Thanks for clearing up the difference.

Maybe you should explain in further detail, so newbies like me can understand the difference.
 
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Default Re: Rjet 5 Video Printing White & Color In Single Pass. AWESOME

the only question i have is regarding the length of time that is optimum for the white underbase to gel with the pretreat prior to the cmyk pass. many of the single platen systems my have up to 4 or 5 minutes of dry time prior to the cmyk pass. it's pretty common knowledge that the more time the white has to bond with the pretreat, the better the print and durability. what i don't know is...what is the margin of time that is best? i have great looking shirts that i printed with my AnaJet FP-125, and i have great looking prints off of my NeoFlex. it was quite common for me to wait for my AnaJet as the white ink was still too wet. of course, when printing 3 shirts on the Neo, the first shirt has plenty of time to gel.

your print in the video looks good, but how much less white ink is being used so as to not have pooling? 15 mm doesn't seem like enough time for the white ink to gel, and yet it obviously worked with the file you showed. does Resolute dry quicker making it more suitable for your in-line process, or does DuPont perform the same? please don't take these questions as criticisms as i think it's an interesting concept and a definite time saver. i'm just confused on the ideology of "the white needs time to bond vs. the white can be printed on immediately". i know that Kornit is printing on the white in one pass, but i think we would all agree that our prints are generally much brighter.
 
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Default Re: Rjet 5 Video Printing White & Color In Single Pass. AWESOME

You are exactly right with your assumption, normally the white does take longer to dry.

The clever part is down to the white being dry & not pooled so the colours don't bleed. The process is very similar to a normal print re pre treatment etc.

It will be in full flight at Fespa, we plan to show it in the US as soon as we have the time to attend a show.
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Thanks for clearing up the difference.

Maybe you should explain in further detail, so newbies like me can understand the difference.
The technology was originally developed for direct color systems printers, browse there vids and you will see! The rip is Cadlink and how it works is it splits the channels front to back instead of the normal 180 nozzles per channel left to right looking from the front of the printer, it allows a very short amount of time before the color goes down (distance of half the size of the print head split this way which is about 1/2 inch).. I tested the rip over a year ago... I find the quality of the two pass to be much higher quality within the dtg application. Imho.. Just pm David (cavedave) he's the developer of the rip, he can explain this in detail, he's very nice guy.. Any rip could be configured this way and I think several are doing this currently with no big fanfare, same principle as brothers one pass..
 
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The technology was originally developed for direct color systems printers, browse there vids and you will see! The rip is Cadlink and how it works is it splits the channels front to back instead of the normal 180 nozzles per channel left to right looking from the front of the printer, it allows a very short amount of time before the color goes down.. I tested the rip over a year ago... I find the quality of the two pass to be much higher quality within the dtg application. Imho.. Any rip could have this configuration if they chose so..
That's very interesting jeff, over a year ago ! I doubt without the profile that was created at Resolute DTG by David Evans of Cadlink less than 1 month ago you would have got a result worth looking at.

I still don't understand why that would make you laugh you head off !
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That's very interesting jeff, over a year ago ! I doubt without the profile that was created at Resolute DTG by David Evans of Cadlink less than 1 month ago you would have got a result worth looking at.

I still don't understand why that would make you laugh you head off !
Just answering marc's question on the technology! profiles in this application are trivial, Imho. more so for getting your color correct.
 
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I love how you change your posts Jeff the minute you read a reply LMHO !
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HAHA I guess you have to admire these neoflex employees desire to chime in on every other brands printers. And its always started by their leader good Ole Peter. Actually let me take that back I don't admire it I find it petty, immature, and one of the main reasons I chose not to do business with them. It's amazing every time they are the only manufacturer doing this.

Really doesn't matter to me if you used the rip 1 yr ago, or if the technology is 5 or 100 yrs old. It's just nice to see a company being innovative and coming up with new ideas to push DTG forward, instead of wasting time going on competitors posts and trying to chime in on all things negative. Would be nice to see all AA employees go back to their section and help their "family" with the many problems they are having with their printers.

For the rest of us that are end users. The inline printing looks awesome, and have faith that it will get nothing but better. Resolute keep pushing forward, and coming up with new innovative ideas.

Hopefully this thread gets back on track and we can keep up with the updates of the inline printing.
 
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I understand how the past tech worked, as I am familiar with its application using Iproof rips years ago. My question was directly related to how Resolutes is so much better, as I am a newb to their application of this process.

Thanks for the info Jeff! Kinda of what I was looking for from Colin or Jay.
 
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Just answering marc's question on the technology! profiles in this application are trivial, Imho. more so for getting your color correct.
Profiles used in this application are far from trivial, I think that is disrespectful to the expertise and work done by David :-(
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