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Union vs. Rutland vs Wilflex vs Vortex (GSG)

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Old March 4th, 2018 Mar 4, 2018 7:29:41 AM -   #16 (permalink)
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I donít think most Union ink is print ready. We always thinned Maxopaque and LoBleed.
As a previous manual printer I would have agreed. Switching to a auto the first of the year beside the Union Eclipse LB white I havenít touched my reducer or soft hand additives. The maxopake is labeled for wet on wet and works very well with no build up when used without a underbase. When used with a underbase certain colors like red either have to be printed last or flashed, although I havenít tried using higher mesh yet for the problem colors.

When manually printing I mostly would have to print flash print to get the opacity I like. Now with auto with exception of white and yellow on dark garments on hit no flash.

One major deciding factor why Iíve stuck with union is ink usage. Iíve used about every brand Union, QCM, Excalibur, international coatings, one stroke, wilflex, and a few others. By far I use less ink with Union. Last year helped a guy print 750 front, back and a sleeve. He brought a gallon on one stroke. We were opening a case printing the front then the back and then sleeve as it was 2 colors each location and I had a 6/6 press. We didnít even get 1/2 though the 750 and ran out of ink. I had 1 1/2 gallon of Union Eclipse and was concerned maybe would run out plus I had printing of my own to do before I could get more ink. When we finished we had only used 3/4 of a gallon to finish.
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Old March 6th, 2018 Mar 6, 2018 6:24:24 PM -   #17 (permalink)
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As a previous manual printer I would have agreed. Switching to a auto the first of the year beside the Union Eclipse LB white I havenít touched my reducer or soft hand additives. The maxopake is labeled for wet on wet and works very well with no build up when used without a underbase. When used with a underbase certain colors like red either have to be printed last or flashed, although I havenít tried using higher mesh yet for the problem colors.

When manually printing I mostly would have to print flash print to get the opacity I like. Now with auto with exception of white and yellow on dark garments on hit no flash.

One major deciding factor why Iíve stuck with union is ink usage. Iíve used about every brand Union, QCM, Excalibur, international coatings, one stroke, wilflex, and a few others. By far I use less ink with Union. Last year helped a guy print 750 front, back and a sleeve. He brought a gallon on one stroke. We were opening a case printing the front then the back and then sleeve as it was 2 colors each location and I had a 6/6 press. We didnít even get 1/2 though the 750 and ran out of ink. I had 1 1/2 gallon of Union Eclipse and was concerned maybe would run out plus I had printing of my own to do before I could get more ink. When we finished we had only used 3/4 of a gallon to finish.

Good info Sean, BTW what auto did you go with?
 
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Good info Sean, BTW what auto did you go with?
Right now due to space I have a Lawson mini trooper XL 5 color 6 station. I've had a couple other Lawson press that where just too big although I was able to run just not efficiently so I always went back to manual. After many, many adjustments to get the press all back straight I've got to say I am impressed with quality of prints. I seriously didn't expect the quality and the speed I'm getting. The other Lawson's printed Ok struggled with white.

It was used, Cheap although not put together so was a risk and from past experience and with this one if you call Lawson the guy isn't very helpful when inquiring about a press always ask for serial then says that's a older press, not much value and tries to sell you a new one. last time I talked to him I said so your saying your older press don't hold any value, may have issues, and just not worth buying....Why the heck would I ever buy a new one then? He hung up on me.
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Right now due to space I have a Lawson mini trooper XL 5 color 6 station. I've had a couple other Lawson press that where just too big although I was able to run just not efficiently so I always went back to manual. After many, many adjustments to get the press all back straight I've got to say I am impressed with quality of prints. I seriously didn't expect the quality and the speed I'm getting. The other Lawson's printed Ok struggled with white.

It was used, Cheap although not put together so was a risk and from past experience and with this one if you call Lawson the guy isn't very helpful when inquiring about a press always ask for serial then says that's a older press, not much value and tries to sell you a new one. last time I talked to him I said so your saying your older press don't hold any value, may have issues, and just not worth buying....Why the heck would I ever buy a new one then? He hung up on me.
I am in the same boat as far as space. I only have about 18' wall to wall so that limits me on my choices of autos and number of colors. I am looking at the Workhorse Saber 8/10 or maybe a Volt, both around 14' and in our budget.

I think the Lawson salesman got the question he didn't have a answer for. Lol.. But at least you got your set-up dialed in so congrats on that.
 
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We had been using Union ink for 30 years and recently they have started using a crappy "tuna can" lid to save 5Ę. You can't take the lid off or put it back on or even touch it without getting ink on your hands and we cuss at them every day. The company does not return our phone calls so we are switching ink brands to either IC (International Coatings) or One Stroke. Will update.
 
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I've tried a lot and found myself going back to Union. Especially on the automatic, colors flash pretty well and opacity is great with the maxo pake. Wilflex I use for lighter goods.
 
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I've tried a lot and found myself going back to Union. Especially on the automatic, colors flash pretty well and opacity is great with the maxo pake. Wilflex I use for lighter goods.
 
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I've tried a lot and found myself going back to Union. Especially on the automatic, colors flash pretty well and opacity is great with the maxo pake. Wilflex I use for lighter goods. Tuna can lid I agree with, i hate it ..
 






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