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Old August 1st, 2012 Aug 1, 2012 10:39:37 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Hi.
What would you say is the most opaque white ink?
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Old August 1st, 2012 Aug 1, 2012 11:31:16 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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I like Unions cotton bright white.
 
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Isn't there a way to measure the opacity of ink?
Like on a scale of 0 - 100?
I thought that there may be something like that somewhere.
 
 
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I would say the most opaque white ink is a properly applied ink to the surface of the shirt and not into the knit.
 
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You can use a draw down bar or something similar to compare samples if you want to test opacity--if you can afford one. Probably one of those preferably DIY kinda things.

Here's a link to a reasonably priced one: 8 PATH SCRAPER
 
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Opacity is a variable that hinges on the ink itself, which varies from brand, and even from batch to batch within a brand, screen mesh selection, tension, and emulsion coating technique that yields stencil thickness, and squeegee angle, pressure, and speed, and the sharpness and hardness of the blade.
What you want is an ink that clears the screen with minimal pressure so that it's not driven into the shirt. Much easier to control consistently on an automatic press as a manual.
Speaking of ink changing from batch to batch, Wednesday I went through a gallon of Union's Bright Cotton White that was significantly thicker than the last couple of gallons I've used. Don't know whether this was a bad batch, a container that sat in a hot warehouse or truck, or a change in formula. Same thing happened with the last gallon of QCM 158 Glacier White I bought a couple of years ago . . . thicker than the previous batches.
 
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Opacity is a variable that hinges on the ink itself, which varies from brand, and even from batch to batch within a brand, screen mesh selection, tension, and emulsion coating technique that yields stencil thickness, and squeegee angle, pressure, and speed, and the sharpness and hardness of the blade.
What you want is an ink that clears the screen with minimal pressure so that it's not driven into the shirt. Much easier to control consistently on an automatic press as a manual.
Speaking of ink changing from batch to batch, Wednesday I went through a gallon of Union's Bright Cotton White that was significantly thicker than the last couple of gallons I've used. Don't know whether this was a bad batch, a container that sat in a hot warehouse or truck, or a change in formula. Same thing happened with the last gallon of QCM 158 Glacier White I bought a couple of years ago . . . thicker than the previous batches.
Maybe mixing it will help?
 
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Seems like Wilflex does okie dokie to our eye.
Kinda need to pick the white for your requirements it seems.
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Matsui flex ink. Low bleed and works on poly and cotton.

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Maybe mixing it will help?
If you mean stirring the hell out of it, I put a paddle in my drill and let her rip. Loosens up a little, and this is in a garage in Florida in the summer, but still thicker than earlier batches.
Under the best circumstances, I would say QCM 158 is more "opaque" than Union Bright Cotton White, for me, with me pushing the squeegie. It lays down smoother, matting down the fibers better, and having more body, seems to cover better, meaning a brighter white. Again, that's for me.
 
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QCM 158 is very opake, and yes every couple of tubs may be thicker than others. The last one I got was like play doh till I hit it with the paddle for a while. But it is the closest I've ever gotten to a one hit
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Guess I should get a few samples or small containers and try them out.
 
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We've also been testing several whites on our auto in the last couple of months. We have bought inks ranging from $35 per gallon up to $110 per gallon and still came back to our tried and true, QCM XOLB-158. At $68 per gallon it's the best mix for us.
 
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We've also been testing several whites on our auto in the last couple of months. We have bought inks ranging from $35 per gallon up to $110 per gallon and still came back to our tried and true, QCM XOLB-158. At $68 per gallon it's the best mix for us.
By $110 per gallon are you referring to One Stroke? So far, in my limited time, I find their Hybrid white to be the best white ink I've used. Actually whenever I switch from any other colored ink to a One Stroke ink, I'm just blown away. I can't put my finger on it. It's like this really low luster look that I love.

That being said, I've been curious about the QCM as I can get it local and it's cheaper. Does it have a high gloss finish to it?
 
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I don't see the appeal of one stroke... Their inks are nice yes... But they are so much more expansive than other inks that are equally nice... Like excaliburs inks... They are the smoothest and best covering inks I have found.. The one stroke poly inks are nice too, they cover great but at 40-50% more cost?

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